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Red Card/Suspended player Substitute/alternative player

By rivinok - 08-02-2017 05:26

[LM10]

Greetings, Imagine for a moment this idea, one of your players receives a red card in a competition /league or cup etc, your following game for that competition now will not allow you to use that tactic because there is a suspended player who resides within that tactic. I would like to propose the idea of enabling a way to automatically Sub in a player for the following game for the affected tactic, with a notification or symbol on the fixture page to indicate that it has occurred (e.g Tactic A.1~ is now initialized, or just a yellow dot or another symbol in color so that it is recognizable.) What I imagine is a Suspended options tab or bench of players who will sub in for the defense, midfield or forward if it were to occur, these players may include your current subs for that tactic as well, this way one doesn't need to check after every game that no players were red carded and have to go to tactics all the time surgically fixing things for the next game the following day. This implementation I see would be most beneficial If we are not able to be near a device or computer to change it all, this would be a great stress lifted and allows freedom to all. People can't always check these devices or be near internet every few hours, Our lives have to be lived too.Greetings,

Imagine for a moment this idea, one of your players receives a red card in a competition /league or cup etc, your following game for that competition now will not allow you to use that tactic because there is a suspended player who resides within that tactic.

I would like to propose the idea of enabling a way to automatically Sub in a player for the following game for the affected tactic, with a notification or symbol on the fixture page to indicate that it has occurred (e.g Tactic A.1~ is now initialized, or just a yellow dot or another symbol in color so that it is recognizable.)

What I imagine is a Suspended options tab or bench of players who will sub in for the defense, midfield or forward if it were to occur, these players may include your current subs for that tactic as well, this way one doesn't need to check after every game that no players were red carded and have to go to tactics all the time surgically fixing things for the next game the following day. This implementation I see would be most beneficial If we are not able to be near a device or computer to change it all, this would be a great stress lifted and allows freedom to all.

People can't always check these devices or be near internet every few hours, Our lives have to be lived too.

 

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Re: Red Card/Suspended player Substitute/alternative player

By rivinok - 08-02-2017 05:29

[LM10]

The players could also be selected specifically for players, i.e "if Joe Bloggs is suspended, sub in John McAwesome"The players could also be selected specifically for players, i.e "if Joe Bloggs is suspended, sub in John McAwesome"

Re: Red Card/Suspended player Substitute/alternative player

By dowopado - 09-02-2017 16:36

[BotP]

If I have read your suggestion correctly, I believe all your suggestions are already being made. The fixture page highlights forthcoming matches with suspended players in red. MZ is programmed to automatically sub the red carded player with a sub of your choosing that is on the bench for the given position (forward, midfielder and defender). Via the 'add rule' you can designate specific subs for specific red carded players...and even more options.If I have read your suggestion correctly, I believe all your suggestions are already being made.

The fixture page highlights forthcoming matches with suspended players in red.
MZ is programmed to automatically sub the red carded player with a sub of your choosing that is on the bench for the given position (forward, midfielder and defender).
Via the 'add rule' you can designate specific subs for specific red carded players...and even more options.

Re: Red Card/Suspended player Substitute/alternative player

By rivinok - 09-02-2017 21:01

[LM10]

Hi, thanks for the reply, does it still take effect for the following game, it has the ! symbol which to my understand was that it needed attention or changing or you will be going in with 10 men for the game.. I may be wrong or have misunderstood it. I had thought that the add rule options were only for the current game, as I have seen many teams who had received a red card in a previous game fielding only 10 men the next with the same tactic (unless of course they had not done what you speak of. I will look into it. Thanks againHi, thanks for the reply, does it still take effect for the following game, it has the ! symbol which to my understand was that it needed attention or changing or you will be going in with 10 men for the game.. I may be wrong or have misunderstood it.

I had thought that the add rule options were only for the current game, as I have seen many teams who had received a red card in a previous game fielding only 10 men the next with the same tactic (unless of course they had not done what you speak of. I will look into it.

Thanks again

Re: Red Card/Suspended player Substitute/alternative player

By rivinok - 09-02-2017 21:12

[LM10]

Ok. so having a look at the add rule feature, I see that the option is there that if a player is sent off do such and such, though obviously if a player is sent off they cannot be substituted that game, the team is down to 10 men and the option is there to change the way your team plays to minimize the disadvantage. As I thought only the alternative tactic options apply to that condition (a player being sent off so change pressing, passing, formation etc) because they cannot be substituted. What I am suggesting is an option to be enabled that if a player received a red card and is suspended for the following game, that the missing players spot for the following game is filled automatically by an optional chosen player of your choosing.Ok. so having a look at the add rule feature, I see that the option is there that if a player is sent off do such and such, though obviously if a player is sent off they cannot be substituted that game, the team is down to 10 men and the option is there to change the way your team plays to minimize the disadvantage. As I thought only the alternative tactic options apply to that condition (a player being sent off so change pressing, passing, formation etc) because they cannot be substituted. What I am suggesting is an option to be enabled that if a player received a red card and is suspended for the following game, that the missing players spot for the following game is filled automatically by an optional chosen player of your choosing.

Re: Red Card/Suspended player Substitute/alternative player

By rivinok - 09-02-2017 21:19

[LM10]

It seems very logical to me to have this option available, in a real life situation, all a manager would need to do is communicate to the coaches that if Bilbo Baggins gets sent off to give Frodo Baggins a run the following game. (names used as random example of a name of a player)It seems very logical to me to have this option available, in a real life situation, all a manager would need to do is communicate to the coaches that if Bilbo Baggins gets sent off to give Frodo Baggins a run the following game. (names used as random example of a name of a player)

Re: Red Card/Suspended player Substitute/alternative player

By dowopado - 10-02-2017 04:34

[BotP]

The ! symbol means you have issues with the tactic for the upcoming match. In my case it always signifies I have a player with a suspended player for the game. If you click on it...it will take you to the tactic and show what the problem is. As long as you have a player on the bench for the position of the suspended player MZ will auto the sub prior to start of game. No sub on bench you will play with 10 players. The auto sub will occur for every game you have a suspended player...as long as you have players on the bench. The add rule you have set for a specific tactic will apply for every match that tactic is used until you modify it or delete it.

rivinok wrote:

Hi, thanks for the reply, does it still take effect for the following game, it has the ! symbol which to my understand was that it needed attention or changing or you will be going in with 10 men for the game.. I may be wrong or have misunderstood it.

I had thought that the add rule options were only for the current game, as I have seen many teams who had received a red card in a previous game fielding only 10 men the next with the same tactic (unless of course they had not done what you speak of. I will look into it.

Thanks again

The ! symbol means you have issues with the tactic for the upcoming match. In my case it always signifies I have a player with a suspended player for the game. If you click on it...it will take you to the tactic and show what the problem is. As long as you have a player on the bench for the position of the suspended player MZ will auto the sub prior to start of game. No sub on bench you will play with 10 players.
The auto sub will occur for every game you have a suspended player...as long as you have players on the bench.

The add rule you have set for a specific tactic will apply for every match that tactic is used until you modify it or delete it.

Re: Red Card/Suspended player Substitute/alternative player

By dowopado - 10-02-2017 04:54

[BotP]

Keep in mind the tactic will always go back to its original 11 player set once the suspension has been eliminated. Add rules can be set for a specific player to sub for a suspended midfielders, defenders or forwards. Add rules can be set for a specific player to sub for a suspended player by name. Those add rules will apply to every match that tactic is used. Remember if a midfielder or defender is sent off...the forward with the lowest number will always take the place of the sent off player. Thus you may want a midfielder or defender to sub for that forward so you don't lose any strength in your defense.

rivinok wrote:

Ok. so having a look at the add rule feature, I see that the option is there that if a player is sent off do such and such, though obviously if a player is sent off they cannot be substituted that game, the team is down to 10 men and the option is there to change the way your team plays to minimize the disadvantage. As I thought only the alternative tactic options apply to that condition (a player being sent off so change pressing, passing, formation etc) because they cannot be substituted. What I am suggesting is an option to be enabled that if a player received a red card and is suspended for the following game, that the missing players spot for the following game is filled automatically by an optional chosen player of your choosing.

Keep in mind the tactic will always go back to its original 11 player set once the suspension has been eliminated.

Add rules can be set for a specific player to sub for a suspended midfielders, defenders or forwards.
Add rules can be set for a specific player to sub for a suspended player by name.

Those add rules will apply to every match that tactic is used.

Remember if a midfielder or defender is sent off...the forward with the lowest number will always take the place of the sent off player. Thus you may want a midfielder or defender to sub for that forward so you don't lose any strength in your defense.

Re: Red Card/Suspended player Substitute/alternative player

By rivinok - 10-02-2017 10:01

[LM10]

I still don't understand. What i'm hearing you say is... if a midfielder in your tactic is sent off, he is sent off for that game. So when/if any of your midfielders are sent off, you then substitute #2 Johnson (striker) who is also on the pitch for a midfielder (#15 Tripton)off the bench I'm sorry I don't understand how this solves the issue at all. A red card means 10 men, so subbing a striker for a midfielder still leaves you on 10. Even If you had this same substitution that occurred the following game it would leave you with 10 because the suspended player isn't being subbed , only a striker for a midfielder. Are you saying that if you go into a new game the next day it will automatically recognize that a player was sent off the PREVIOUS game? To my understand I thought that it occurred as a trigger/rule effect, besides I do not see how trading a striker for a midfielder on the bench gives you 11 men for the next match. Would you not at least put "that player" for Tripton, maybe that could work. I appreciate your responses and helpful comments. I would like to understand if I am missing something or this suggestion is genuinely a good idea that needs to be done to improve the game.I still don't understand. What i'm hearing you say is... if a midfielder in your tactic is sent off, he is sent off for that game.

So when/if any of your midfielders are sent off, you then substitute #2 Johnson (striker) who is also on the pitch for a midfielder (#15 Tripton)off the bench

I'm sorry I don't understand how this solves the issue at all. A red card means 10 men, so subbing a striker for a midfielder still leaves you on 10. Even If you had this same substitution that occurred the following game it would leave you with 10 because the suspended player isn't being subbed , only a striker for a midfielder.

Are you saying that if you go into a new game the next day it will automatically recognize that a player was sent off the PREVIOUS game? To my understand I thought that it occurred as a trigger/rule effect, besides I do not see how trading a striker for a midfielder on the bench gives you 11 men for the next match. Would you not at least put "that player" for Tripton, maybe that could work.

I appreciate your responses and helpful comments. I would like to understand if I am missing something or this suggestion is genuinely a good idea that needs to be done to improve the game.

Re: Red Card/Suspended player Substitute/alternative player

By dowopado - 10-02-2017 20:48

[BotP]

My apologies for the confusion. I introduced something new regarding actions in a current match which caused the confusion. I deleted that post, and will try to go back to square one, and start all over again.My apologies for the confusion. I introduced something new regarding actions in a current match which caused the confusion.

I deleted that post, and will try to go back to square one, and start all over again.

Re: Red Card/Suspended player Substitute/alternative player

By dowopado - 10-02-2017 21:15

[BotP]

You will be reduced to 10 players at the time the red card is issued in a match. Now that red carded player will be suspended for the next match in that event. The options you have for the next match are: 1. Do nothing and play with 10 players. 2. Or, manually replace the suspended player with a new player for the next match prior to 2 hours before the start of that match then you will have 11 players on the field. Keeping in mind that the new player will be in that tactic for future matches until the player who was suspended is manually put back into the tactic. 3. Or, make sure you have a player of your choice on the bench for the position of the suspended player...then MZ will automatically sub bench player in for the suspended player for that match then you will have 11 players on the field. After the match the tactic will go back to its original set of 11 players. No need to make any manual changes. Hopefully, this eliminates some of the confusion I have created.You will be reduced to 10 players at the time the red card is issued in a match. Now that red carded player will be suspended for the next match in that event. The options you have for the next match are:

1. Do nothing and play with 10 players.
2. Or, manually replace the suspended player with a new player for the next match prior to 2 hours before the start of that match then you will have 11 players on the field. Keeping in mind that the new player will be in that tactic for future matches until the player who was suspended is manually put back into the tactic.
3. Or, make sure you have a player of your choice on the bench for the position of the suspended player...then MZ will automatically sub bench player in for the suspended player for that match then you will have 11 players on the field. After the match the tactic will go back to its original set of 11 players. No need to make any manual changes.

Hopefully, this eliminates some of the confusion I have created.

Re: Red Card/Suspended player Substitute/alternative player

By rivinok - 10-02-2017 23:11

[LM10]

Thank you for your reply. This helps alot, though if I take option #3 are you saying that I only need to have players on my regular sub bench in order for things to be valid for the following match despite the suspended players absence and warning sign? The current warning sign (red with !) is then saying that there was a red carded player the previous game, not that the tactic is invalid and that I need to make manual changes? As it is the same warning for players who do not match age requirements for age restricted games. Do I not need to add any rule? Just to have them on the bench as subs is sufficient in order to have 11 the following game despite the suspension? If it is so, let's say if I had a striker who was suspended; with a decent striker on the bench to fill his shoes the following match. He automatically subs in for the striker who was suspended the following game, however if in that following game a striker is injured then there won't be a striker sub because the striker sub is filling the shoes of the suspended player as appose to being a sub, it would then automatically sub whoever is on "X" on the bench. This would mean i'd have to take a wild guess to who could get injured and what position they play to decide what type of player is placed on "X" position on the bench.Thank you for your reply.

This helps alot, though if I take option #3 are you saying that I only need to have players on my regular sub bench in order for things to be valid for the following match despite the suspended players absence and warning sign?

The current warning sign (red with !) is then saying that there was a red carded player the previous game, not that the tactic is invalid and that I need to make manual changes? As it is the same warning for players who do not match age requirements for age restricted games.

Do I not need to add any rule? Just to have them on the bench as subs is sufficient in order to have 11 the following game despite the suspension?

If it is so, let's say if I had a striker who was suspended; with a decent striker on the bench to fill his shoes the following match. He automatically subs in for the striker who was suspended the following game, however if in that following game a striker is injured then there won't be a striker sub because the striker sub is filling the shoes of the suspended player as appose to being a sub, it would then automatically sub whoever is on "X" on the bench.

This would mean i'd have to take a wild guess to who could get injured and what position they play to decide what type of player is placed on "X" position on the bench.

Re: Red Card/Suspended player Substitute/alternative player

By rivinok - 10-02-2017 23:21

[LM10]

See, I was under the impression that the warning sign meant that it needed some attention and that something is wrong with the tactic that needs to be adressed. If what you are saying is true, then I would be better off ignoring the warning all together (except for age restricted warnings).See, I was under the impression that the warning sign meant that it needed some attention and that something is wrong with the tactic that needs to be adressed.

If what you are saying is true, then I would be better off ignoring the warning all together (except for age restricted warnings).

Re: Red Card/Suspended player Substitute/alternative player

By dowopado - 11-02-2017 04:23

[BotP]

Yes...just make sure you have player on the bench for the position of the player being suspended. Correct. Players on the bench will auto fill in for the suspended player.

rivinok wrote:

This helps alot, though if I take option #3 are you saying that I only need to have players on my regular sub bench in order for things to be valid for the following match despite the suspended players absence and warning sign?

Yes...just make sure you have player on the bench for the position of the player being suspended.

rivinok wrote:

The current warning sign (red with !) is then saying that there was a red carded player the previous game, not that the tactic is invalid and that I need to make manual changes? As it is the same warning for players who do not match age requirements for age restricted games.

Correct. Players on the bench will auto fill in for the suspended player.

Re: Red Card/Suspended player Substitute/alternative player

By dowopado - 11-02-2017 04:38

[BotP]

No add rule needed. Correct...players on the bench will sub for suspended player so you start with 11 players. This is rule in the manual which will answer this question: [color=red] The first bench position contains your reserve goalkeeper; the second contains reserves for defensive players, while the third and fourth contains reserves for midfielders and strikers. The fifth position substitute will enter the game if a reserve is needed for a position where the primary reserve has already been used. [/color] So the fifth position sub would go in for the injured striker. Yep. Or put an all around player in that position.

rivinok wrote:

Do I not need to add any rule? Just to have them on the bench as subs is sufficient in order to have 11 the following game despite the suspension?

No add rule needed. Correct...players on the bench will sub for suspended player so you start with 11 players.

rivinok wrote:

If it is so, let's say if I had a striker who was suspended; with a decent striker on the bench to fill his shoes the following match. He automatically subs in for the striker who was suspended the following game, however if in that following game a striker is injured then there won't be a striker sub because the striker sub is filling the shoes of the suspended player as appose to being a sub, it would then automatically sub whoever is on "X" on the bench.

This is rule in the manual which will answer this question:

The first bench position contains your reserve goalkeeper; the second contains reserves for defensive players, while the third and fourth contains reserves for midfielders and strikers. The fifth position substitute will enter the game if a reserve is needed for a position where the primary reserve has already been used.


So the fifth position sub would go in for the injured striker.

rivinok wrote:

This would mean i'd have to take a wild guess to who could get injured and what position they play to decide what type of player is placed on "X" position on the bench.

Yep. Or put an all around player in that position.

Re: Red Card/Suspended player Substitute/alternative player

By dowopado - 11-02-2017 04:43

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It could be ignored if your not able to be online. I would never ignore it if I was on line. I would check just to make sure everything is okay with the tactic...but that's just me.

rivinok wrote:

See, I was under the impression that the warning sign meant that it needed some attention and that something is wrong with the tactic that needs to be adressed.

If what you are saying is true, then I would be better off ignoring the warning all together (except for age restricted warnings).

It could be ignored if your not able to be online. I would never ignore it if I was on line. I would check just to make sure everything is okay with the tactic...but that's just me.

Re: Red Card/Suspended player Substitute/alternative player

By rivinok - 11-02-2017 05:15

[LM10]

Ok thanks for your response. I don't ignore them either, though I was more meaning in terms of manually changing everything all the time as I can ignore them now knowing they are setup correctly. I was tired of having to manually change it all the time. Thanks again for the information and help. P.S I still think this topic is somewhat relevant if only for the fact that we lose a sub spot though unlikely to have 2 players injured or affected in one match.Ok thanks for your response. I don't ignore them either, though I was more meaning in terms of manually changing everything all the time as I can ignore them now knowing they are setup correctly. I was tired of having to manually change it all the time.

Thanks again for the information and help.

P.S I still think this topic is somewhat relevant if only for the fact that we lose a sub spot though unlikely to have 2 players injured or affected in one match.

Re: Red Card/Suspended player Substitute/alternative player

By dowopado - 11-02-2017 06:15

[BotP]

We can always hope...but I'll keep your suggestions in mind when Crew decides to work on the sim again.

rivinok wrote:

P.S I still think this topic is somewhat relevant if only for the fact that we lose a sub spot though unlikely to have 2 players injured or affected in one match.

We can always hope...but I'll keep your suggestions in mind when Crew decides to work on the sim again.

 

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