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How to clone a tactic (It's possible).

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Here are the steps to follow in order to clone a tactic using the Chrome MZ Chrome Match Viewer & Analyzer extension, with just a couple of copy-paste:
1. If you don't have the extension installed do it from the following link: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/mz-chrome-match-viewer-an/dkmhhddfoojmodcjegnnnjamdbmpcnmb).
2. Choose a team match that you want to clone their tactics.
3. View the match with the extension (click on the orange ball icon on the right-top corner in Chrome and then click on the Go to View the Match in the popup that opens below the ball icon. Now, you can see the match window.
4. You do not need to see the game, but if you want to do it, simply click Download and View.
5. Go to the tab Players, then select the team to clone.
6. Now go to ManagerZone tactic editor page and select the destination tactic. You must take in account that you 11 players must be in the field. Then click Import / Export tactic.
7. Click the Export button. You will see in the text box something begining like:
<?xml version="1.0" ?>
8. In the text box do right button Select All and then Copy.
9. Return to the Players tab of the extension. In the text box (where you can read "Paste your current XML exported tactic here ..." do right button Paste. And then do click on the button Clone Tactic (XML).
10. Now you can read a message: “The tactic to Import was copied to the Clipboard!”.
11. Return to the ManagerZone Tactics page. Delete the content of the text box and do right button Paste. Now click Import and in few seconds you can see your players at the same positions of the cloned tactic.
12. Finally, check if the players are in the right position and intenchange them if it's necessary and then click Save only this Tactic. The initial tactic was cloned. You can see that the Tactics, Style and Aggrassion field also be cloned.
13. Enjoy!
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Brilliant thank you. Admins pin this please

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[MCFC]
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Nice one!

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#MakeManagerzoneClonesAgain

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That's cheating. Thanks I will use it.

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[BotP]
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Is this possible for hockey also?

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floodish wrote:
Is this possible for hockey also?


I don't have hockey team. Perhaps works but I'm not sure. Good Luck!

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The cloning functionality was re-activated!
:D

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[RAF]
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Great work! H

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civilu wrote:
Great work! H


Thank you! ;)

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I'm developing a new upgrade of the Chrome Extension.
Do you have any idea to add?
All ideas are welcome.
Thanks you!

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[Eesti]
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walokr wrote:

Do you have any idea to add?


I have a suggestion. When you are on "players" tab, could you also add squad numbers to player postion icons? I use that extension mainly to scout my opponent tactics so it would make scouting opponent quicker. Like this:(sorry for number not in center, I had to use paint)

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evosa wrote:
I have a suggestion. When you are on "players" tab, could you also add squad numbers to player postion icons? I use that extension mainly to scout my opponent tactics so it would make scouting opponent quicker. Like this:(sorry for number not in center, I had to use paint)


Thank you. I'll intend to add this feature in the next version.
I apretiatte your ideas!

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I've do it!
Here is the description: http://www.managerzone.com/?p=forum&sub=topic&topic_id=12120170&forum_id=10&sport=soccer

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[Eesti]
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I get "loading..." message and it stays there forever. Anyone else or just me?

Uuesti: How to clone a tactic (It's possible).

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I'm having the same problem as evosa. Analyzer won't load 100% and after clicking the extension icon it just says loading.

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Hi!
I've just updated the extension. Version 0.9.8 works fine.
MZ has changed the links to the matches pages.
Regards!

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[Eesti]
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It worked today morning for a sec. Now its not working again.

Re: How to clone a tactic (It's possible).

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I can see your match (mid=936469346)
Remember Go to "A" (Analyzer) match, wait for "Your match should appear automatically. If it doesn't, click here!" message after a while when your page open and then click the extension icon.
If you try to use from the MZ match page or don't wait for the message, you will have troubles (same as you have).
I want to solve these problems but I don't have a lot of time now.
Have a nice day!

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it's very nice, but contrary to what you said, i'm not able to see my opponent's tactical rules, style, aggression etc. could i please know why is that so ?

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You can't see tactical rules.
Only starting mentality and passing.

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Can you guys please not bump this thread? I'd like this to remain secret. Thank you. :)

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bestplaymaker2134 wrote:
Can you guys please not bump this thread? I'd like this to remain secret. Thank you. :)


hardly makes a difference :P if it anyway doesnt show alternative rules etc, then what you see on the 'match page' (opponent's formation) is what you're going to be getting in your imported tactics (only difference would be u'd get an automatic perfect 'pixel positioning' and dont have to do it manually, which could be quite a pain :P). but you could still keep your not-so-secretive secret :P and oh, sorry for bumping it again :P

aurelrabei wrote:
You can't see tactical rules.
Only starting mentality and passing.


thought so. thanks.

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[ᴀғяιcᴀ]
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Thank you very much, it will help me a lot!

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im original.

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A new upgrade for the chrome extension version 0.9.10: "MZ Chrome Match Viewer & Analyzer" ( https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/mz-chrome-match-viewer-an/dkmhhddfoojmodcjegnnnjamdbmpcnmb ) :
If you watch the match in the extension, now you can see the height of the ball at any moment.
With this feature now you can pause the match and then move forward and back with right and left keys respectively and for example detect the height of the ball when your forward impact the ball. If it is nearly 2.20 (height in meters, sorry), the player has used the head. If the ball is nearly 0.00 the player has used his foot.
Enjoy and Merry Christmas!

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Remember that in order for use the extension you must use the match "A" button.
For people that cannot see the "A" button (and only see "B", but not "A" and "3D"):
  • Do click in the small wheel icon at the top-right corner of any page (at the right of your user name).
  • Select "My profile".
  • Select "Gameplay Settings"
  • In the zone "Plugin Settings" - "3D and Analyzer"

If you select "Enabled" option inmediatly you can see the match "A" button when you access to the matches list and also to the match page.

(This is the question I reciebed in my Gestbook:
Hi!
I have some probles with tactics clone extension.
When I select match page and start with 2D button (don't have any other button, that's the only one I can choose), then I wait for loading and press extension button. The communicate appears:
"This page is no useful for a match of
MZ Chrome Match Viewer & Analyzer Plus (v.0.9.10)
Go to your selected match page, click the 'A' button and wait for the message (few seconds)
"Your match should appear automatically. If it doesn't, click here! (...or something like this in your own langauage.)"
Then press the Chrome Extension button again."
Can you please help me to solve this problem?

Thank you in advance for answer!
Regards,
Joanna)

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There is a tutorial in Spanish with the news of the Chrome Extension that explains new features of version 0.9.14 .

Perhaps, anybody can translate it to English.

This is the link : https://www.managerzone.com/thezone/paper.php?paper_id=15246&page=9&sport=soccer

Have nice days!

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Hi!
The version of the extension to 0.9.15 has already been updated. It was added the possibility of exporting all the statistics of all players including the estimated speed and participation (the estimated speed is similar to the balls that the player has in speed but multiplied by 10, that is, if it gives you 84 almost certainly the player's speed is between 8 and 9). The speed of the goalkeeper is not representative. Participation is a calculation in which the application accumulates the instants where the ball was more or less close to the player, also goes from 0 to 100 as the velocity.
I hope you find it useful.
Have nice days!

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Hi walokr;
Thanks for the extension first of all, I use it a lot and it's very useful.
I have 2 issues to ask.
The first one is , I see the opponent team has used two different tactics in a a match but I can not see the secondary tactic to clone.
The second issue is , I could not see the estimated speed and participation statistics although I am using 0.9.15...
Can you take a look at it pls?
Have a nice day.

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jedy22 wrote:
I can not see the secondary tactic to clone.


Second or 3rd tactic cannot be cloned. I think the extension works visually, based on your opponent starting formation.

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jedy22 wrote:
Hi walokr;
Thanks for the extension first of all, I use it a lot and it's very useful.
I have 2 issues to ask.
The first one is , I see the opponent team has used two different tactics in a a match but I can not see the secondary tactic to clone.
The second issue is , I could not see the estimated speed and participation statistics although I am using 0.9.15...
Can you take a look at it pls?
Have a nice day.


First is not so easy as wrote aurelrabei, but if I'll have time in the future, ... perhaps.
Second: Yo must go to statistics after the full match was been downloaded. This is the solution.
Have nice days!

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There seems to be a problem with the extention.

When i follow al the steps of the guide, once the addon opens up the match analyser.
It starts loading, but it keeps loading and therefore i never get the data.

Any idea's on how to solve this ?
thx in advance

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roby338 wrote:
There seems to be a problem with the extention.

When i follow al the steps of the guide, once the addon opens up the match analyser.
It starts loading, but it keeps loading and therefore i never get the data.

Any idea's on how to solve this ?
thx in advance


Hi! could you paste here the URL of the match with the problem?

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walokr wrote:
Hi! could you paste here the URL of the match with the problem?


i tried diffrent matches. first i tought that the problem was that the anayler works with Java and chrome doesn't support that annymore, but it works for a friend so that seems to be unlogical.

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I've wrote this sometime ago:

Remember that in order for use the extension you must use the match "A" button.
For people that cannot see the "A" button (and only see "B", but not "A" and "3D"):
Do click in the small wheel icon at the top-right corner of any page (at the right of your user name).
Select "My profile".
Select "Gameplay Settings"
In the zone "Plugin Settings" - "3D and Analyzer"

If you select "Enabled" option inmediatly you can see the match "A" button when you access to the matches list and also to the match page.

Perhaps it's useful for you.

Ant: How to clone a tactic (It's possible).

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I've enabled it in order to be able to use the A button.. it didn't work..

However i was able to resolve this problem bij removing the addon and adding it back in..

There is no explanation to why it was bugged the first time but it works now.. thx for your time

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roby338 wrote:
I've enabled it in order to be able to use the A button.. it didn't work..

However i was able to resolve this problem bij removing the addon and adding it back in..

There is no explanation to why it was bugged the first time but it works now.. thx for your time


Thank you por your drastic solution that works.
Have nice days!

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I never posted here and this is a one timer, I assure you.
It's not fair to steal the ideas of somebody who put some hard work into tactical solutions.
We should discover the beauty of this game by ourselves.
I wasted hundreds, if not thousands, of hours to make my tactics work.
Now it's easy to clone them.
It's like saying to Guardiola, Ancelotti, Mourinho, Klopp, Emery etc. "Hey I will clone your tactic and I'm not asking for your permission."
This "thing" you did spoiled a lot of fun for many of us, who were committed to the game.
I never used it and I never will. I am stil trying to enjoy my game, but it's a bit frustrating to see someone I defeated last season winning against me with my own tactics this season.
This is why I am enjoying just hockey right now.
I mean, why bother invest another hard work into something easy to steal for others.
Anyway, I see everybody says that it's more fun when it's easy.

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mihairo wrote:
I never posted here and this is a one timer, I assure you.
It's not fair to steal the ideas of somebody who put some hard work into tactical solutions.
We should discover the beauty of this game by ourselves.
I wasted hundreds, if not thousands, of hours to make my tactics work.
Now it's easy to clone them.
It's like saying to Guardiola, Ancelotti, Mourinho, Klopp, Emery etc. "Hey I will clone your tactic and I'm not asking for your permission."
This "thing" you did spoiled a lot of fun for many of us, who were committed to the game.
I never used it and I never will. I am stil trying to enjoy my game, but it's a bit frustrating to see someone I defeated last season winning against me with my own tactics this season.
This is why I am enjoying just hockey right now.
I mean, why bother invest another hard work into something easy to steal for others.
Anyway, I see everybody says that it's more fun when it's easy.


Not all of use use it to benefit from not having to make a tac.. i merly use it to come up with a perfect counter tac

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Why people use text processors if they can write by hand?
Why people use whatsapp if they can send SMS?
Why people singers songs compossed by others?
Why football players use GPS in training?
How many Coachs around the world have copied the Barcelona of Guardiola tactic but with different results? Are you sure that coach your team in the real world didn't steal one of these tactics? Do you think the same (they are stealing)?
Clonning tactics is not the final objective, it's the begining of the work.
Some years ago, clonning tactics functionality was replaced by "the monkey covering mouth". After two weeks the same people that thought similar as you and wrote same words in Latin American Spanish forum (and by whatsapp also), asked me to re-enable clonning functionality.
I'm sure you can be a Mourinho, Guardiola, Simeone,... of ManagerZone football.
But, also I'm sure you can be a better Manager if you use the extension (not only for clonning tactics).
I challenge you to try to use one or two days the extension and then write here again.
Have nice days Mihairo!

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roby338 wrote:
Not all of use use it to benefit from not having to make a tac.. i merly use it to come up with a perfect counter tac


Mihairo, Last message is for you, friend.

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Is like having to pass an exam and you already know the questions?
It's still cheating, friend.
Why not giving answers instead? That will make it easier.
Anyway, the answer is bs and you know it.

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If you created a great tactic, just start with a fake tactic and swap it to your real tactic 5 minutes into the game, that way no one will be able to clone it.

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I know that, but still...
I have so many matches now when the opponent scores 1 or 2 goals in the first 5-6 minutes, so I don't bother anymore.
lf this is the MZ idea of fair play, I rest my case.
IMO this is bad for the game, because hardcore players as we were don't want to invest time for others to benefit.
Of course, as time always has shown, people who want to succeed the easy way will never be remembered.

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mihairo wrote:
Is like having to pass an exam and you already know the questions?
It's still cheating, friend.
Why not giving answers instead? That will make it easier.
Anyway, the answer is bs and you know it.


In your case, I'm not sure.
MZ;)MZ

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@walokr, I just saw you wrote 2 messages.
What can I say, good job!
Why don't you try to write a code that makes you win all the matches?
Wouldn't that be fun?
Like “power overwhelming“ in Starcraft or, I don't know if you heard of the gamer Forsaken from CS GO.
He introduced cheating codes for better aiming.
Too bad the owners from Optic India didn't find it that funny, so they fired the entire team, also ESIC issued a 5-year ban to forsaken

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mihairo wrote:
@walokr, I just saw you wrote 2 messages.
What can I say, good job!
Why don't you try to write a code that makes you win all the matches?
Wouldn't that be fun?
Like “power overwhelming“ in Starcraft or, I don't know if you heard of the gamer Forsaken from CS GO.
He introduced cheating codes for better aiming.
Too bad the owners from Optic India didn't find it that funny, so they fired the entire team, also ESIC issued a 5-year ban to forsaken


The difference is I'm not Forsaken and you don't understand what is a game.
Perhaps your IQ may be very high, but your empathy level is extremally low.
(Empathy is the capacity to understand or feel what another person is experiencing from within their frame of reference, that is, the capacity to place oneself in another's position. - wikipedia).
Bye bye.

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Sorry, unfortunately I have no empathy for cheaters.
I'm sure you all find empathy somewhere else.

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Anyway, the harm is done.
Even if you vanish from the game and you delete your extentions with apologies to all of us is not enough.
We still have to suffer some mediocre managers who cloned tactics and now they post as genuine tacticians.
Some of them even won Championships in their countries against committed users, so the game was irremediably damaged.

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mihairo wrote:
I never posted here and this is a one timer, I assure you.
It's not fair to steal the ideas of somebody who put some hard work into tactical solutions.
We should discover the beauty of this game by ourselves.
I wasted hundreds, if not thousands, of hours to make my tactics work.
Now it's easy to clone them.
It's like saying to Guardiola, Ancelotti, Mourinho, Klopp, Emery etc. "Hey I will clone your tactic and I'm not asking for your permission."
This "thing" you did spoiled a lot of fun for many of us, who were committed to the game.
I never used it and I never will. I am stil trying to enjoy my game, but it's a bit frustrating to see someone I defeated last season winning against me with my own tactics this season.
This is why I am enjoying just hockey right now.
I mean, why bother invest another hard work into something easy to steal for others.
Anyway, I see everybody says that it's more fun when it's easy.


Hello.

Walokr tool is way more than just a tactic cloner. It brings a lot of new features that the game should already have, but they never added. For example, with Walokr tool you can use the Analyzer again, because he made one; you can see a heat map of the players; you can check the players speed because of a formula that he programmed; you can simply change your own tactics with the mirror feature that he programmed; you can "clone" your own tactics to place (for example) your Initial to the Alternative, etc.

Even with today simulator, that (as we all know) is not the best, the fact of being a good or bad manager does not only depend on the tactic that you design, taking "thousands of hours". You should know that...

There are many other factors that contribute to become a good mananager. As an example, there are many argentinean teams that have been in MZ for the last 10-15 years, and they always been among the best clubs in the World, staying many seasons at the Top Division of Argentina. If Walokr tool was just "cheating", as you are wrongly saying, how could it be that the best managers are always the same dudes? Well, thats because this tool does not provide the magical-winning-formula, but a good feature that improves the gameplay.

I found your answers here quite rude and arrogant, specially when you compare yourself with Guardiola, Mourinho, and others, claiming that you lost against someone that "copied" your tactic, while your trophy cabinet just shows a U18 season cup.

Sorry my friend, but you really seem to have wasted your time trying your tactics to work.
 
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