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UEFA and Celtic

By tasior26 - 08-08-2014 17:57

both are losers [MZ] - - - - - [color=purple]Removed Implied Swearing ~geo[/color]both are losers

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Re: F..k UEFA and F..k Celtick too

By geoclphredux - 09-08-2014 00:02

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Celtic were in no way involved in the decision. From the Celtic manager himself: "Legia played well against us, they put in good performances but this is nothing to do with Celtic. It is about UEFA. It is not my business. It is a club thing and a UEFA thing." It was Legia Warszawa's own fault... you cannot field a suspended player! - - - - - [color=purple]Typo ~geo[/color]Celtic were in no way involved in the decision. From the Celtic manager himself:
"Legia played well against us, they put in good performances but this is nothing to do with Celtic. It is about UEFA. It is not my business. It is a club thing and a UEFA thing."

It was Legia Warszawa's own fault... you cannot field a suspended player!

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Re: F..k UEFA and F..k Celtick too

By deleted_5240478 - 09-08-2014 14:39

In all honesty I think Lega should have been punished. however, that has been transcended the punishment does not fit the crime. I think they should have been fined £100,000 per minute the player played. Money donated to UNICEF or something like that. Celtic were well beat and it's an embarasent that they will be allowed to continue to embarrass scottish football in Europe this season.In all honesty I think Lega should have been punished. however, that has been transcended the punishment does not fit the crime. I think they should have been fined £100,000 per minute the player played. Money donated to UNICEF or something like that.

Celtic were well beat and it's an embarasent that they will be allowed to continue to embarrass scottish football in Europe this season.

Re: F..k UEFA and F..k Celtick too

By agapitod (HMA) - 10-08-2014 23:00

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Don't think UEFA would think about donating money to unicef lol. Amateur mistake by Legia imo as all the clubs have to read and accept the rules before the tournament starts. They've hammered Celtic though and would be nice to see them playing UCLDon't think UEFA would think about donating money to unicef lol. Amateur mistake by Legia imo as all the clubs have to read and accept the rules before the tournament starts. They've hammered Celtic though and would be nice to see them playing UCL

Re: F..k UEFA and F..k Celtick too

By mihairo - 31-08-2014 10:17

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UEFA simply applied the rules in this case. The rulebook states clearly that Legia loses the second match with 0-3. So, 4-1, 0-2 transformed into 4-1, 0-3 and elimination. They introduced a suspended player on the field. Pure amatorism. We lose matches in MZ for smaller mistakes, e.g. wrong tactic, or introducing just one +18 player in a U18 competition etc.UEFA simply applied the rules in this case. The rulebook states clearly that Legia loses the second match with 0-3.
So, 4-1, 0-2 transformed into 4-1, 0-3 and elimination.
They introduced a suspended player on the field. Pure amatorism.
We lose matches in MZ for smaller mistakes, e.g. wrong tactic, or introducing just one +18 player in a U18 competition etc.

Re: F..k UEFA and F..k Celtick too

By mihairo - 31-08-2014 10:18

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erata: 4-1, [i]2-0[/i] transformed into 4-1, 0-3 and elimination.erata: 4-1, 2-0 transformed into 4-1, 0-3 and elimination.

Re: F..k UEFA and F..k Celtick too

By malkin78 - 07-09-2014 23:25

Do you know what happened? Legia had a player who was suspended, so they sat him out for the required number of games. Then they substituted him in the 86th minute of the second leg when they were up 6-1 on aggregate. This player had no impact whatsover on the outcome of this qualifier. Then UEFA said that because this player was not officially listed on the team sheet for the games that he sat out, that he was not technically serving his suspension. So even though he was sitting out the games he was supposed to sit out for, it didnt count because of some innocuous paperwork error. The punishment for this error is way out of proportion, Legia did nothing wrong, and the player did not affect the game. Clubs have to submit their lineups before hand, UEFA should have notified them. And Celtic should have withdrawn and allowed Legia to advance. Shame on UEFA and Celtic. I would be ashamed to be a Celtic fan right now.Do you know what happened? Legia had a player who was suspended, so they sat him out for the required number of games. Then they substituted him in the 86th minute of the second leg when they were up 6-1 on aggregate. This player had no impact whatsover on the outcome of this qualifier.
Then UEFA said that because this player was not officially listed on the team sheet for the games that he sat out, that he was not technically serving his suspension. So even though he was sitting out the games he was supposed to sit out for, it didnt count because of some innocuous paperwork error.
The punishment for this error is way out of proportion, Legia did nothing wrong, and the player did not affect the game. Clubs have to submit their lineups before hand, UEFA should have notified them. And Celtic should have withdrawn and allowed Legia to advance.
Shame on UEFA and Celtic. I would be ashamed to be a Celtic fan right now.

Re: F..k UEFA and F..k Celtick too

By geoclphredux - 08-09-2014 18:40

[MZ UKI]

Shame on [i]Celtic[/i]? It's absolutely nothing to do with them, by that I mean UEFA's punishment is out of Celtic's hands. If Celtic withdrew their position that simply would not result in Legia Warzsawa being allowed to play again. Though I agree he didn't really effect the qualifiers in any way, considering they had 4 minutes to play while 6-1 up but he was [i]still[/i] suspended! "Bereszynski was sent off against Apollon in the final match of Legia’s Europa League campaign last season, earning a three-match suspension. He missed both legs of Legia’s tie against St Patrick’s in the second qualifying round and also sat out the 4-1 first-leg victory over Celtic. However, [u]it has emerged that Bereszynski had not been registered in Legia’s squad for the second qualifying round, and so the matches did not count towards his suspension[/u]." http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/08/celtic-reinstated-champions-league-uefa-legia-warsaw So he still had one more match of suspension. Legia messed up. Is the punishment brutal, yes... [b]but you can not play a suspended player[/b] and Celtic had nothing to do with UEFA's punishment or Legia's mistake, they've done nothing wrong but witness this confusing situation.

malkin78 wrote:

Shame on UEFA and Celtic. I would be ashamed to be a Celtic fan right now.

Shame on Celtic? It's absolutely nothing to do with them, by that I mean UEFA's punishment is out of Celtic's hands.

If Celtic withdrew their position that simply would not result in Legia Warzsawa being allowed to play again.

malkin78 wrote:

Do you know what happened? Legia had a player who was suspended, so they sat him out for the required number of games. Then they substituted him in the 86th minute of the second leg when they were up 6-1 on aggregate. This player had no impact whatsover on the outcome of this qualifier.

Though I agree he didn't really effect the qualifiers in any way, considering they had 4 minutes to play while 6-1 up but he was still suspended!

"Bereszynski was sent off against Apollon in the final match of Legia’s Europa League campaign last season, earning a three-match suspension. He missed both legs of Legia’s tie against St Patrick’s in the second qualifying round and also sat out the 4-1 first-leg victory over Celtic. However, it has emerged that Bereszynski had not been registered in Legia’s squad for the second qualifying round, and so the matches did not count towards his suspension."
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/08/celtic-reinstated-champions-league-uefa-legia-warsaw

So he still had one more match of suspension. Legia messed up.

Is the punishment brutal, yes... but you can not play a suspended player and Celtic had nothing to do with UEFA's punishment or Legia's mistake, they've done nothing wrong but witness this confusing situation.

Re: UEFA and Celtic

By deleted_5240478 - 08-09-2014 20:02

Its safe to say that this should not even be in the hockey forums. I would have though the football forums would be a better place. Despite this being a open discussion. BTW Geo congrats on taking over my role as FA in hockey.Its safe to say that this should not even be in the hockey forums. I would have though the football forums would be a better place. Despite this being a open discussion.

BTW Geo congrats on taking over my role as FA in hockey.

Re: UEFA and Celtic

By geoclphredux - 08-09-2014 23:52

[MZ UKI]

Thank you [:)] I'll try my best to keep my eye on both the Football and the Hockey forums now, so don't be surprised if I'm a little more active here haha. Keeping the thread on topic though, I don't see why Celtic are being called losers and being tied into the situation as if they were a guilty party. Legia just messed up and UEFA overly punished them, as mihairo said earlier, "We lose matches in MZ for smaller mistakes, e.g. wrong tactic, or introducing just one +18 player in a U18 competition etc.", in the end of the day Legia Warszawa is a professional Football Team, they shouldn't be making mistakes like fielding suspended players.

brian_mcsnail wrote:

BTW Geo congrats on taking over my role as FA in hockey.

Thank you :) I'll try my best to keep my eye on both the Football and the Hockey forums now, so don't be surprised if I'm a little more active here haha.

Keeping the thread on topic though, I don't see why Celtic are being called losers and being tied into the situation as if they were a guilty party.

Legia just messed up and UEFA overly punished them, as mihairo said earlier, "We lose matches in MZ for smaller mistakes, e.g. wrong tactic, or introducing just one +18 player in a U18 competition etc.", in the end of the day Legia Warszawa is a professional Football Team, they shouldn't be making mistakes like fielding suspended players.

Re: UEFA and Celtic

By malkin78 - 09-09-2014 09:17

Bereszynski was technically suspended, but for all intents and purposes his suspension had been served in full. Only a minor technical detail changes that fact. Of course you cannot field a suspended player, but this player should not have been considered suspended because he did in fact serve his suspension in full by sitting out the required 3 games. As far as I know, Celtic had the option to withdraw or forfeit or concede, whatever you want to call it, and allow Legia to advance to the next qualifying round. This is what Celtic should have done. It would be in the interest of sportsmanship and fair play. It would be the honourable thing to do. You say that even if Celtic withdrew that Legia would still not be allowed to advance. If that is true then you are right, Celtic did nothing wrong and should be blameless. That is not how I heard it though.Bereszynski was technically suspended, but for all intents and purposes his suspension had been served in full. Only a minor technical detail changes that fact. Of course you cannot field a suspended player, but this player should not have been considered suspended because he did in fact serve his suspension in full by sitting out the required 3 games.

As far as I know, Celtic had the option to withdraw or forfeit or concede, whatever you want to call it, and allow Legia to advance to the next qualifying round. This is what Celtic should have done. It would be in the interest of sportsmanship and fair play. It would be the honourable thing to do.

You say that even if Celtic withdrew that Legia would still not be allowed to advance. If that is true then you are right, Celtic did nothing wrong and should be blameless. That is not how I heard it though.

Re: UEFA and Celtic

By geoclphredux - 09-09-2014 15:11

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I haven't heard that Celtic were given that option. Do you have an article or something I can read up on about it? Googling this topic often just gives me a cluttered bunch of the same news, the stuff we already know.I haven't heard that Celtic were given that option. Do you have an article or something I can read up on about it? Googling this topic often just gives me a cluttered bunch of the same news, the stuff we already know.

 

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