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I offer 75 Mio. USD for the best player in this game!

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No joke!
Send me in my GB the images of your best players and show me the maxings. I offer about 75'000'000 Mio. USD or about 50'000'000 EURO or exactly 66'666'666 CHF for the best player I get. Put this player on the transfermarket if I choose you and show the maxings... The offer will come for sure from my side...
That's the last action of Brilliant Wildlife XI if the GA's won't stop it. I hope not, because it is like in real life: Think of Gareth Bale, James Rodriguez, ... the best have high prizes. That's all nonsense in my opinion, but in my opinion this game became nonsense as well.

My team was sleeping for several years now and was once the no.1. But now I see all the abuses in this game: Every action has to be paid with money. If you don't spend money you're disadvantaged enourmously (you can't play it anymore) - that's the result of the developement. Wow! Reason enough to say goodbye.

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Plus, you just posted this on a publicly accessible forum, so they might get punished anyway for the suggestion :)

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[FLUSA]
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There's specialized people that knows all the cheap tricks in the book, MZ needs to hire a guy like that, there's a reason why there's a new and almost unknown football manager game on the first page of google results and has 221.000 likes in facebook with their very spammy facebook page.....

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First thing first, it makes me feel sad seeing a very succesful (if not one of the greatest) manager in this game feel disheartened. To my eyes this a serious case and a very big discussion.

- I 've expressed my opinion many years ago, that the game should allow new teams' progressing faster, so that new users would get into competitive gaming much earlier - that would keep much more active people in the game instead of either disappointing or making them bored abandoning their teams.Only as of lately we saw ..."Training 2.0" which of course isn't even close to enough, as players mature around the age they will ...retire.Not to mention the "31yo retirement" rule which in real life this never happens unless there are serious health issues involved. :-P

- also the game should focus more in the tactical aspect rather than the economical one, which of course requires a modern and more complex simulator than what we have for ages now.

- Finally MZ should become cheaper concerning extra features (like FLs, extra Cups, etc) so that it attracts more people.I bought Battlefield 3 which is considered one of the best games in its genre ever, for the same money I spent here only for my annual club membership.I really don't understand a game "going down" becoming even more expensive, someone enlighten me please.

I could write a lot more but I think those are the major things holding back this game - of course the lack of advertisement plays its big part too.The game should evolve and become modernized.Staying conservative and going around an aged concept would only diminish this community even more.

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johnsof wrote:
- I 've expressed my opinion many years ago, that the game should allow new teams' progressing faster, so that new users would get into competitive gaming much earlier - [/b]


That's the mistake, this game doesn't need a fast progression, think about it... faster progression means a user gets to the top, reaches all it's objectives really fast and then as soon as he got up, he goes down and eventually quits.... we don't get many new users due to lack of advertising and we're lucky that due to the slow progression, managers that started years ago are still playing the game because they are still trying to reach the top, win cups and be among the best.

I actually played another manager game because I was curious, it's the first one it came on google... I liked it, it had the fast progress you where talking about and it kept my interest high... for about 2 months that is... I got quickly to the top, won a league & had a good placing on a cup, then my team instantly turned to crap due to some game limitations and the fact I needed to pay for a lot of stuff to progress, it was basically a pay to win game and as fast as I got hooked, I got bored and quit... I had totally forgot about it until I found the game again yesterday when I was checking google results.

That model can only work when you have a lot of people constantly coming through your door and you don't care much about building a community...

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The 'faster progression' has already been provided by teams skipping leagues when they get promoted after their first season, instead of spending months going through many inactive leagues like a few years ago.

As darkline correctly points out, you can't have faster progression without higher player turnover as to progress to the top means pushing other people out of the way to get there.

Games like that require consistently high advertising and promotion just to keep it relevant and afloat. The slow nature of MZ attracts a much more mature userbase, with the ability to retain a steady income stream over many years. Which also should mean that to keep going short bursts of promotion should work to get people in and bedded in and a less frequent basis.

MZ has much less of a revolving door policy of the userbase, it attracts the more mature players and when you are hooked you keep playing. The problem is at the moment as it is much more of an invisible door at the moment.

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It really is amazing that we can turn any topic into a MZ needs to advertise conversation. However, since we are on this topic, more advertising is really going down the wrong path. Should it happen? Yes. When? Not now!

The thing I think many of you forget or don't care to think about is the relative small group of online football/soccer online management gamers there are. We are all fighting for the same players. Plus, I would think that the overlap of all the management, specifically soccer management is about 40 to 60%. If this is the case, then it isn't an advertising thing, it is a retention issue.

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Hey darkline. Progressing fast in terms of player development doesn't take you immediately to the top and allow me to disagree with your own experience. There are so many factors deciding whether you can make it there, starting from the most obvious which is competition. :-)
Second the game doesn't finish when you win a trophy.In fact that's where it really begins because that's when you have to compete against the best - a far more difficult task. Staying on the top is much more challenging and addictive.

In the good old days, becoming sufficiently competitive at national level would require from 2 and a half at minimum to even 4 years - provided you followed the fair path.Nowadays is not less than 2 years is my guess.So now let's think how many people have the time and patience to actively follow a game for such a long period, only to reach a decent level of competitiveness.My guess again, not many.

@Mosmosmos- so if things are the way you describe it why did Crew deployed "Training 2.0", instead they would just focus on promoting the game and let it be the way it was - new teams maturing for ages.The people we all want to come in and play along with us, IMHO do not think that way.We are living in another decade, things move on faster, time is limited, patience too, most games are there to be consumed fast, competition has plenty of offers, etc. The same goes for MZ, either it evolves or its userbase will go on bleeding until it finally dies.

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adv41449 wrote:
If this is the case, then it isn't an advertising thing, it is a retention issue.


Disagree (to an extent)

Retention rates for online games like this is always going to be low. Most people are lost within the first 30 seconds, and then after the first time they log out. This is always going to be the case.

Back when I joined the game the 'new users' for England per day was always 150-200 and as you can see from the National Cup entries graph, probably the best way for us mortals to judge a userbase size, that wasn't enough to grow it.

This figure today is 11 and I can't remember the last time I saw it rise above 20.



A small portion of a lot is generally more than a larger proportion of very little.

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@johnsof

In a world where everyone does the same thing, it is the one who takes the contrarian approach the pays off long term (provided it does everything else correct)

MZ's USP is that it appeals to the player with the long term view, without the need for all the gimmicks of a game that relies on high traffic and turnover for a quick buck.

Everyone in the EPL has been here for around 5 years, so has around 60% of Division 1, only 1 team in younger than about 3 years old.

Training 2.0 increases the speed of the game from geological to glacial while the Uxx leagues allow competitive buy-in right from the start.

At the end of the day, there is a reason you have been here 10 years, a reason I have for 7 and 50% of the paying UK userbase has been here over 5. There is a demand for games like this, people just can't find it.

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johnsof wrote:
Hey darkline.
In the good old days, becoming sufficiently competitive at national level would require from 2 and a half at minimum to even 4 years - provided you followed the fair path.Nowadays is not less than 2 years is my guess.So now let's think how many people have the time and patience to actively follow a game for such a long period, only to reach a decent level of competitiveness.My guess again, not many.


Depends on the person and what they're looking for in a game... right now, the most famous and well known game in the football managers category, a game that right now has 5 times the userbase of managerzone (based on the quantity of active managers online reported), is also the game with the slower progress of them all.... you could easily get stuck on the lower division you start for 3 or more seasons.

The advantages of the slow progress type of manager game is the higher retention rates, once you achieved the objective of building a decent team after a few years of trying, you're more attached to your team and it is less likely you'll abandon them.... this are games oriented towards a more mature type of gamer.

Is funny, I'm the kind of guy that never plays a game more than a few months, I'm talking about online games in general. I usually reach my objectives quickly and then get bored and just slowly forget about the game and look for something new, and it's easy to quit since more or less, it didn't really cost me too much effort to be competitive in the first place.... but then managerzone, it took me a couple of years to get to where I wanted to be and despite it's ups and downs, it never crossed my mind to just abandon the game after all the time I invested on it....

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Here is the front page of MZ from August 2008.



As you can see. 3500-4000 new users per day.

Sadly this information is provided so easily anymore, however according the the world map the number of new users signed up in the last 24 hours is 273

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Funny how the home page in 2008 looks better than the homepage in 2014. Awkward.[/quote]

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Ok, if a transfer of 75 Mio. USD will be stopped, I will spend all my money in the best players I can find during the next two or three weeks - you still can post them in my GB if you want me to make a bid.

I just want to state more precisely what I said:
MZ is a really good Managergame - I liked it for a long time (the Sim, 3D, the fun factor, realistic results, the community ...). I didn't spent so much money in the beginning (2003), and not even much time I would say. I just had a good Team and an open eye on the transfermarket before 2010/11 and I think I understood which tactic works the best against my oponent. That's all... In my eyes "methos" was one of the best Managers in this game - he told me a lot. Thanks tosspot for your statements - I feel flattered (I return the compliment to you). So everything was alright about this game, but then it started with all these extra costs and convinced to be a member and to pay for the game. You were right manolo_jimenez when you said:
"No, he is talking about the whole cost, Club Membership plus all the rest (friendly leagues, friendly cups, etc.)" I go to work and earn money - I could afford to pay a membership, but what about the young generation, pupils or all those using the credit card of their parents or all those in countries where all these costs are a problem? I never paid again, when my success in this game came. I paid in the early years and then I got the Tokens for free as a prize money and made this decicion to go on without money to see if it is possible. It had nothing to do with meanness, it has to do with persuation and it was a trial. But more and more it was not possible to be part of this game as a accepted member. You are disadvantaged in so many different areas like transfermarket, training, coaches and so on... that it is no more fun. So, like a pupil who shouldn't spend money in online games, I will not do this as well. I hope you don't spend your money in this game, which force you to spend it more and more... The Crew is sucking as Long as they can and the ranking in Google might be a sign for that.
Anyway - have fun!
BWXI

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Don't know which way this discussion has gone but who cares. It's clearly important to work on the advertisement for managerzone to bring in new manager, and the retention of existing managers because the game is obviously declining in popularity. Theres mixed opinions on whats causing this game to deteriorate.

The point i want to make is the friggin managerzone app could of been the chance to bring in loads of new players. I thought if the put a big effort into developing that app, and advertising it, then throw it on the app store for free, it would explode... Probably brought in about 2 new managers with the £3.99 charge for it...

Looking at the stupidly successful and profitable game apps, they're free to download, then they charge for the optional extras!!

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bayernallstars wrote:
Ok, if a transfer of 75 Mio. USD will be stopped, I will spend all my money in the best players I can find during the next two or three weeks - you still can post them in my GB if you want me to make a bid.


I'd still like to know what kind of Mio's you've got before we take this any further. If they're of the Akiyama variety I'll gladly sell anyone you want for them. Otherwise I'll pass...

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eljayholmwood wrote:
Don't know which way this discussion has gone but who cares. It's clearly important to work on the advertisement for managerzone to bring in new manager, and the retention of existing managers because the game is obviously declining in popularity. Theres mixed opinions on whats causing this game to deteriorate.

The point i want to make is the friggin managerzone app could of been the chance to bring in loads of new players. I thought if the put a big effort into developing that app, and advertising it, then throw it on the app store for free, it would explode... Probably brought in about 2 new managers with the £3.99 charge for it...

Looking at the stupidly successful and profitable game apps, they're free to download, then they charge for the optional extras!!


Good point!

Instead of continuously trying to milk the few users left - until they get fed up and leave - get more users.

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I wish i lived in switzerland man...

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What are you going on about?!!

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ninner wrote:
What are you going on about?!!


What made you look for this topic after all these years ?!

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Lol it popped up for some reason when I did a google search lol

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ninner wrote:
Lol it popped up for some reason when I did a google search lol


Bringing up old topics for no reason is considered spamming and not allowed in the forums- please take this as a friendly reminder 😊

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ok i will look at the date next time 😀

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Actually found this a good read again. The fact the thread is still as relevant today shows nothing’s really changed.

My ten pence and a quick win for anyone who reads this:

Leave a trustpilot review. Managerzone currently has 5 reviews and an average score of 3.1 and people wonder why it doesn’t attract new users.

Loads of things the community could do to organically promote the site/ boost it’s ranking but instead we write in the forums and hope search engines will one day be kind to us!

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webregas wrote:
Actually found this a good read again. The fact the thread is still as relevant today shows nothing’s really changed.

My ten pence and a quick win for anyone who reads this:

Leave a trustpilot review. Managerzone currently has 5 reviews and an average score of 3.1 and people wonder why it doesn’t attract new users.

Loads of things the community could do to organically promote the site/ boost it’s ranking but instead we write in the forums and hope search engines will one day be kind to us!


Reviews require consumer satisfaction though or they will actually have an adverse effect.
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@chucky06 - fully agree. However, currently it’s being used as an outlet for people who rage quit to do damage (a couple of 1 star reviews). So really what the worst that can happen if people take the time to leave a genuine 3-5 star review.

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webregas wrote:
Actually found this a good read again. The fact the thread is still as relevant today shows nothing’s really changed.

My ten pence and a quick win for anyone who reads this:

Leave a trustpilot review. Managerzone currently has 5 reviews and an average score of 3.1 and people wonder why it doesn’t attract new users.

Loads of things the community could do to organically promote the site/ boost it’s ranking but instead we write in the forums and hope search engines will one day be kind to us!


YES it was a very good read webregas!!!!
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