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Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By cloak - 12-07-2014 02:38

Right now non club-member has got a a large disadvantage on the transfermarket as we cannot see the maxings of transferlisted players. Club members should, according to me, only have esthetic advantages in the form of example more fun and pretty logos, kits etc, cheaper cups and training history. Therefor my suggestion is that non club-members can see transferlisted players's and their own players' maxings. With this I mean that they can't see the training history, only the maxings. This could be shown with the stats' names in red or something like it. This way the tranfermarket would become alot more fair and you wouldn't have to waste a training on a player that has got a certain maxing. I understand that MZ needs to earn money, but the non club-members should have the same terms to compete. However I don't think this would affect the amount of club members much. I think this should at least be tested for a few months to see if this would lead to a decline in club members or if things would stay about the same.Right now non club-member has got a a large disadvantage on the transfermarket as we cannot see the maxings of transferlisted players. Club members should, according to me, only have esthetic advantages in the form of example more fun and pretty logos, kits etc, cheaper cups and training history.

Therefor my suggestion is that non club-members can see transferlisted players's and their own players' maxings. With this I mean that they can't see the training history, only the maxings. This could be shown with the stats' names in red or something like it. This way the tranfermarket would become alot more fair and you wouldn't have to waste a training on a player that has got a certain maxing.

I understand that MZ needs to earn money, but the non club-members should have the same terms to compete. However I don't think this would affect the amount of club members much. I think this should at least be tested for a few months to see if this would lead to a decline in club members or if things would stay about the same.

 

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Re: Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By cloak - 14-07-2014 15:32

Anyone have something to say? :PAnyone have something to say? :P

Re: Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By ivorylegend - 18-07-2014 11:19

[MZ UKI]

How about you just buy club membership? Why would people who are not investing in the game, receive the same benefits as those who are?How about you just buy club membership?

Why would people who are not investing in the game, receive the same benefits as those who are?

Re: Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By mosmosmos - 18-07-2014 13:14

[ENG]

That said the fact that non CM's can't see maxings hurts the sellers in a way that they can't show the fact the player in unmaxed to everyone. Though I of course agree with your overriding point.

ivorylegend wrote:

How about you just buy club membership?

Why would people who are not investing in the game, receive the same benefits as those who are?

That said the fact that non CM's can't see maxings hurts the sellers in a way that they can't show the fact the player in unmaxed to everyone.

Though I of course agree with your overriding point.

Re: Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By cloak - 19-07-2014 22:20

According to me players who pay should not get advantages over those who don't that affect the gameplay, only esthetic advantages and advantages to make "life easier" (for example more tactic slots, the possibility to adjust so you can only see coaches with a certain max and/or min salary and so on). Why should people who pay get gameplay advantages that someone who doesn't can never achieve, even if the non-paying player spends more time on the game? In for example Hearthstone you can boost yourself by paying by buying card packs but that doesn't mean you'll do better in the end and non-paying players can get as many packs if they put enough time and work into the game.

ivorylegend wrote:

How about you just buy club membership?

Why would people who are not investing in the game, receive the same benefits as those who are?

According to me players who pay should not get advantages over those who don't that affect the gameplay, only esthetic advantages and advantages to make "life easier" (for example more tactic slots, the possibility to adjust so you can only see coaches with a certain max and/or min salary and so on).

Why should people who pay get gameplay advantages that someone who doesn't can never achieve, even if the non-paying player spends more time on the game?

In for example Hearthstone you can boost yourself by paying by buying card packs but that doesn't mean you'll do better in the end and non-paying players can get as many packs if they put enough time and work into the game.

Re: Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By cloak - 19-07-2014 22:24

"Club Members receive a range of extra services and features that greatly enhance the ManagerZone experience without providing them with a competitive advantage over non-members" That is taken from the manual. However that is a lie because only club members can see the maxings. It is a vital part of the transfer market that you can see a player's maxings. And if everyone could do it it would also benefit the club members just as mosmosmos said.

ivorylegend wrote:

How about you just buy club membership?

Why would people who are not investing in the game, receive the same benefits as those who are?

mosmosmos wrote:

That said the fact that non CM's can't see maxings hurts the sellers in a way that they can't show the fact the player in unmaxed to everyone.

Though I of course agree with your overriding point.

"Club Members receive a range of extra services and features that greatly enhance the ManagerZone experience without providing them with a competitive advantage over non-members"

That is taken from the manual. However that is a lie because only club members can see the maxings. It is a vital part of the transfer market that you can see a player's maxings. And if everyone could do it it would also benefit the club members just as mosmosmos said.

Re: Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By ivorylegend - 20-07-2014 08:51

[MZ UKI]

For the previous 10 years transfer maxings were hidden from all users, you had to rely on trust / assume everything was maxed / take a gamble So this is a bonus for club members certainly not a necessity.

cloak wrote:

"Club Members receive a range of extra services and features that greatly enhance the ManagerZone experience without providing them with a competitive advantage over non-members"

That is taken from the manual. However that is a lie because only club members can see the maxings. It is a vital part of the transfer market that you can see a player's maxings. And if everyone could do it it would also benefit the club members just as mosmosmos said.

For the previous 10 years transfer maxings were hidden from all users, you had to rely on trust / assume everything was maxed / take a gamble

So this is a bonus for club members certainly not a necessity.

Re: Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By cloak - 20-07-2014 14:52

Now that some people can see it they get a gameplay advantage over those who can't.

ivorylegend wrote:

For the previous 10 years transfer maxings were hidden from all users, you had to rely on trust / assume everything was maxed / take a gamble

So this is a bonus for club members certainly not a necessity.

Now that some people can see it they get a gameplay advantage over those who can't.

Re: Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By ivorylegend - 20-07-2014 15:58

[MZ UKI]

You can build your entire team without having to buy anyone on the transfer market. So again, it is a bonus, not a necessity. It is a luxury to be able to buy players. It is an added luxury that club members get to see maxings.

cloak wrote:

Now that some people can see it they get a gameplay advantage over those who can't.

You can build your entire team without having to buy anyone on the transfer market.

So again, it is a bonus, not a necessity. It is a luxury to be able to buy players.

It is an added luxury that club members get to see maxings.

Re: Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By cloak - 21-07-2014 21:48

Please show me a successful team that has done this. No, it's a gameplay advantage. I would like you to answer my longer post earlier in the thread.

ivorylegend wrote:

You can build your entire team without having to buy anyone on the transfer market.

So again, it is a bonus, not a necessity. It is a luxury to be able to buy players.

It is an added luxury that club members get to see maxings.

Please show me a successful team that has done this. No, it's a gameplay advantage. I would like you to answer my longer post earlier in the thread.

Re: Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By adv41449 - 21-07-2014 21:54

[CUFC]
President

Unfortunately, according to all those that pay, we should get an advantage. I guess majority rules!

cloak wrote:

According to me players who pay should not get advantages over those who don't that affect the gameplay,.....

Unfortunately, according to all those that pay, we should get an advantage. I guess majority rules!

Re: Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By adv41449 - 21-07-2014 21:57

[CUFC]
President

Pueblo FC in Div 1.2 in the USA.

cloak wrote:

Please show me a successful team that has done this. No, it's a gameplay advantage. I would like you to answer my longer post earlier in the thread.

Pueblo FC in Div 1.2 in the USA.

Re: Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By adv41449 - 21-07-2014 22:02

[CUFC]
President

[i]According to me players who pay should not get advantages over those who don't that affect the gameplay, only esthetic advantages and advantages to make "life easier" (for example more tactic slots, the possibility to adjust so you can only see coaches with a certain max and/or min salary and so on).[/i] Why do you get all the say....retarded! [i]Why should people who pay get gameplay advantages that someone who doesn't can never achieve, even if the non-paying player spends more time on the game? [/i] You have no proof that non-paying members spend more time on the site. I would bet site statistics proves the opposite to be true.According to me players who pay should not get advantages over those who don't that affect the gameplay, only esthetic advantages and advantages to make "life easier" (for example more tactic slots, the possibility to adjust so you can only see coaches with a certain max and/or min salary and so on).
Why do you get all the say....retarded!

Why should people who pay get gameplay advantages that someone who doesn't can never achieve, even if the non-paying player spends more time on the game?

You have no proof that non-paying members spend more time on the site. I would bet site statistics proves the opposite to be true.

Re: Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By cloak - 22-07-2014 01:27

Well, he isn't in the highest division so...

adv41449 wrote:

Pueblo FC in Div 1.2 in the USA.

Well, he isn't in the highest division so...

Re: Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By cloak - 22-07-2014 01:30

Oh, I didn't mean it like that. I meant it like if the non-paying player spent more time he would still not catch up with the paying player in regards to the advantage of seeing transferlisted players' training graphs. In for example Hearthstone you can catch up to the paying player (card wise) if you spend more time.

adv41449 wrote:

According to me players who pay should not get advantages over those who don't that affect the gameplay, only esthetic advantages and advantages to make "life easier" (for example more tactic slots, the possibility to adjust so you can only see coaches with a certain max and/or min salary and so on).
Why do you get all the say....retarded!

Why should people who pay get gameplay advantages that someone who doesn't can never achieve, even if the non-paying player spends more time on the game?

You have no proof that non-paying members spend more time on the site. I would bet site statistics proves the opposite to be true.

Oh, I didn't mean it like that. I meant it like if the non-paying player spent more time he would still not catch up with the paying player in regards to the advantage of seeing transferlisted players' training graphs. In for example Hearthstone you can catch up to the paying player (card wise) if you spend more time.

Re: Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By cloak - 22-07-2014 01:30

Well, it shouldn't be up to those who pay to decide ;)

adv41449 wrote:

Unfortunately, according to all those that pay, we should get an advantage. I guess majority rules!

Well, it shouldn't be up to those who pay to decide ;)

Re: Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By adv41449 - 22-07-2014 13:37

[CUFC]
President

He has been

cloak wrote:

Well, he isn't in the highest division so...

He has been

Re: Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By adv41449 - 22-07-2014 13:37

[CUFC]
President

It isn't. It is up to those who get paid.

cloak wrote:

Well, it shouldn't be up to those who pay to decide ;)

It isn't. It is up to those who get paid.

Re: Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By adv41449 - 22-07-2014 14:14

[CUFC]
President

I understand what you are trying to say, however, your angle of attack is all wrong. Sure, I could see a need for a non-CM to spend more time on the game or on the computer regarding the game, but in reality that should be the case. The best analogy I can use is traveling between to places. Those who are unwilling or unable to pay for a plane ticket can still get from point A to point B, however it will take them longer and it may be less comfortable. Now if we look at the situation you describe regarding transfers, the training graph is really only an aide to the seller not the buyer. Adding the trainig graph has allowed users to sell opportunity. As for purchasing players, I doubt the training graph addition has altered many if any CMs purchasing of older players. I know it has not altered mine, why? Simple. I buy what is there not what could be, especially when I am looking at a player over 25. You see, I can remember the days before the training graph came about (it really hasn't been that long ago) and I can remember what I did for training and purchasing on the market. Sure it was slightly more time consuming, but it wasn't difficult. Heck I can even remember when I wasn't a CM and what I can tell you is that training graphs are a fantastic addition and well worth the purchase of a CM, but they are simply a "ease of use" item and not necessary. Also good managers should be able to operate without them. I wish all the luck in the world and I know you can or will be successful, but complaining about what others pay for and you are not willing or able to isn't going to help you be more successful.

cloak wrote:

Oh, I didn't mean it like that. I meant it like if the non-paying player spent more time he would still not catch up with the paying player in regards to the advantage of seeing transferlisted players' training graphs. In for example Hearthstone you can catch up to the paying player (card wise) if you spend more time.

I understand what you are trying to say, however, your angle of attack is all wrong. Sure, I could see a need for a non-CM to spend more time on the game or on the computer regarding the game, but in reality that should be the case. The best analogy I can use is traveling between to places. Those who are unwilling or unable to pay for a plane ticket can still get from point A to point B, however it will take them longer and it may be less comfortable.

Now if we look at the situation you describe regarding transfers, the training graph is really only an aide to the seller not the buyer. Adding the trainig graph has allowed users to sell opportunity. As for purchasing players, I doubt the training graph addition has altered many if any CMs purchasing of older players. I know it has not altered mine, why? Simple. I buy what is there not what could be, especially when I am looking at a player over 25.

You see, I can remember the days before the training graph came about (it really hasn't been that long ago) and I can remember what I did for training and purchasing on the market. Sure it was slightly more time consuming, but it wasn't difficult. Heck I can even remember when I wasn't a CM and what I can tell you is that training graphs are a fantastic addition and well worth the purchase of a CM, but they are simply a "ease of use" item and not necessary. Also good managers should be able to operate without them. I wish all the luck in the world and I know you can or will be successful, but complaining about what others pay for and you are not willing or able to isn't going to help you be more successful.

Re: Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By cloak - 22-07-2014 15:06

Ok, but still. It probably is much harder than buying players.

adv41449 wrote:

He has been

Ok, but still. It probably is much harder than buying players.

Re: Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By cloak - 22-07-2014 15:07

I know.

adv41449 wrote:

It isn't. It is up to those who get paid.

I know.

Re: Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By cloak - 22-07-2014 15:17

About your analogy: In the manual in stands that club members don't get a competitive advantage for being club members. But if someone can travel from place A to place B with a plane instead of a train/bus has an advantage. The same thing occurs in MZ because of CM:s ability to see training graphs. Of course it's debatable about how much it matters but I think the most people can at least agree that it's a slight advantage. Well, it depends on the kind of player you're looking for. I, for example, am searching for young players and then it is vital that they haven't maxed early in stats. However I would probably not care if the player was 25+. What did you do when you didn't have training graphs then?

adv41449 wrote:

I understand what you are trying to say, however, your angle of attack is all wrong. Sure, I could see a need for a non-CM to spend more time on the game or on the computer regarding the game, but in reality that should be the case. The best analogy I can use is traveling between to places. Those who are unwilling or unable to pay for a plane ticket can still get from point A to point B, however it will take them longer and it may be less comfortable.

Now if we look at the situation you describe regarding transfers, the training graph is really only an aide to the seller not the buyer. Adding the trainig graph has allowed users to sell opportunity. As for purchasing players, I doubt the training graph addition has altered many if any CMs purchasing of older players. I know it has not altered mine, why? Simple. I buy what is there not what could be, especially when I am looking at a player over 25.

You see, I can remember the days before the training graph came about (it really hasn't been that long ago) and I can remember what I did for training and purchasing on the market. Sure it was slightly more time consuming, but it wasn't difficult. Heck I can even remember when I wasn't a CM and what I can tell you is that training graphs are a fantastic addition and well worth the purchase of a CM, but they are simply a "ease of use" item and not necessary. Also good managers should be able to operate without them. I wish all the luck in the world and I know you can or will be successful, but complaining about what others pay for and you are not willing or able to isn't going to help you be more successful.

About your analogy: In the manual in stands that club members don't get a competitive advantage for being club members. But if someone can travel from place A to place B with a plane instead of a train/bus has an advantage. The same thing occurs in MZ because of CM:s ability to see training graphs. Of course it's debatable about how much it matters but I think the most people can at least agree that it's a slight advantage.

Well, it depends on the kind of player you're looking for. I, for example, am searching for young players and then it is vital that they haven't maxed early in stats. However I would probably not care if the player was 25+.

What did you do when you didn't have training graphs then?

Re: Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By adv41449 - 22-07-2014 22:44

[CUFC]
President

i won't disagree, but it is not a competitive advantage. Seeing training graphs offers no competitive advantage, because you as a non-CM can keep the same records via an outside program or using paper and pencil. It is just an ease of use. You will notice that the clubs who were good before are still good, including the non-CM clubs. Before the training graphs we all either asked or just took a chance. Though, there are some simple things you can do to reduce the risk getting hurt in the market, it just takes a bit of ingenuity. Contact me via my guest book and we can discuss this issue furtheri won't disagree, but it is not a competitive advantage. Seeing training graphs offers no competitive advantage, because you as a non-CM can keep the same records via an outside program or using paper and pencil. It is just an ease of use. You will notice that the clubs who were good before are still good, including the non-CM clubs.

Before the training graphs we all either asked or just took a chance. Though, there are some simple things you can do to reduce the risk getting hurt in the market, it just takes a bit of ingenuity. Contact me via my guest book and we can discuss this issue further

Re: Non club-member should get to see players' maxings

By romanasu - 01-08-2014 08:53

[MZ]

[i]"Those who are unwilling or unable to pay for a plane ticket can still get from point A to point B, however it will take them longer and it may be less comfortable."[/i] Not true in MZ. When a non paying member will win a top division in a nation with more then 100 users, please let me now to change my mind, and try harder. Last seasons, only paying members win top divisions. On topic, yes, I agree. It would be great to be able to see training graph. But, the crew doesn't care about non paying members (i remember how a few time ago, CM received lots of extra tactic slots and the possibility to change the name of the tactic slot; free users receive not even one extra tactic slot, but, just a spit between the eyes - the possibility to change the name of tactic A; that was outrageous)"Those who are unwilling or unable to pay for a plane ticket can still get from point A to point B, however it will take them longer and it may be less comfortable."

Not true in MZ. When a non paying member will win a top division in a nation with more then 100 users, please let me now to change my mind, and try harder. Last seasons, only paying members win top divisions.

On topic, yes, I agree. It would be great to be able to see training graph.
But, the crew doesn't care about non paying members (i remember how a few time ago, CM received lots of extra tactic slots and the possibility to change the name of the tactic slot; free users receive not even one extra tactic slot, but, just a spit between the eyes - the possibility to change the name of tactic A; that was outrageous)

 

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