Change languageWell, It's finally happened. Given that Man United didn't at least interview other people made this almost predictable, Alex Ferguson gave him the job and he's put them into free fall.
Any suggestions for the new manager?
I like the idea of #kloppatthetop
Eddie.
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scruttino - 22-04-2014 11:14I thinks he has been harshly treated, his results have been about the same as when in charge of Everton. Everyone thought he was a good manager then, so I don't see why now he is suddenly not good enough. Other clubs would love to have him, he won't be out of a job very long.
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jamiescfc2010 - 22-04-2014 11:48I don't think club shouldn't have let Alex Ferguson shouldn't given him the choice to pick the their next manager and stay away from the ground on matchdays.
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tosspot - 22-04-2014 12:27scruttino wrote:I thinks he has been harshly treated, his results have been about the same as when in charge of Everton. Everyone thought he was a good manager then, so I don't see why now he is suddenly not good enough. Other clubs would love to have him, he won't be out of a job very long.
Martinez is doing better with Everton than Moyes did and that's without Fellaini, who Moyes obviously thinks is good enough to play for Man Utd (a joke in itself). Moyes is very poor tactically - he was good at acquiring OK players for OK money. He has no idea what to do on the pitch.
jamiescfc2010 wrote:I don't think club shouldn't have let Alex Ferguson shouldn't given him the choice to pick the their next manager and stay away from the ground on matchdays.
What?
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zefrenchy - 22-04-2014 15:35
Moyes turned Man United into Everton 2.0 and went as far as to try and buy most of their best players. He was also given the job without an interview, it was literally handed to him and that's the only fault of Alex Ferguson.
Moyes has no European credentials and no clue of what to do with a big club. The fact you're hearing that Van Persie and Welbeck are considering leaving shows he's a terrible man manager.
He'll end up getting the Spurs job and United will need to pull a rabbit out of a hat to get any sort of decent manager.
Eddie.
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rockstarroberts - 22-04-2014 16:35
United doesn't have the quality to shine anymore. RVP is meh, Welbeck is meh, chicharitio is meh. Moyes is partly to blame, but United wont be contending for titles for years. The top four wont include United for awhile
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scruttino - 22-04-2014 17:01Rooney threatened to quit united many times under Fergie, players get upset, life circumstances change, could be lots of reasons. Just because Moyes is in charge makes no difference to that. The brand Man United is built on winning, their fans are superficial jump on the coat tails of the bandwagon types. They have more fans overseas than in England, so as soon as they start to lose people abandon them. If they aren't playing European football they become less visible, and they lose their mystique and financial viability at the same time.
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frankzappa - 22-04-2014 17:27I think this...
jamiescfc2010 wrote:I don't think club shouldn't have let Alex Ferguson shouldn't given him the choice to pick the their next manager and stay away from the ground on matchdays.
might mean this...
zefrenchy wrote:He was also given the job without an interview, it was literally handed to him and that's the only fault of Alex Ferguson.
I agree with both :)
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pho_oenix - 22-04-2014 20:03First of fergi was selfish n did not do anything to make this transition easier. They sld have transfers when he was in charge instead of when u get in a new guy.That was a terrible mistake.
Moyes isnt tactically brilliant but not average. He is a good manager. U have a chelsea striker helping them out now n new young players have been doing well. Youngvplayers just pop into the spotlight one season so its not fair to compare.
They bought fellony because no one was willing to come in summer amid the new changes.
Its hard to change things around when it's being done for more than a decade according to a particular style. His mistake was he tried to change n use his method's to soon.
Under pressure he made persi play n train with injury. Main readon for his dislike.
He has done better tgan what fergi did in his first season but people r naive to compare with recent seasons.
His sacking is unjust considering the pressure he was put in n the situation n squad he got.
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abmania - 22-04-2014 20:07
rockstarroberts wrote:United doesn't have the quality to shine anymore. RVP is meh, Welbeck is meh, chicharitio is meh. Moyes is partly to blame, but United wont be contending for titles for years. The top four wont include United for awhile
Same thing happened to liverpool
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jamie1976 - 23-04-2014 08:21The players have not bothered for him, that is unforgivable and Ferdinand has led that I am told. I compare it to when Mourinho left Chelsea the first time and we had Grant in charge and only Clarke to help him. He brought in two coaches and we got to the Champions League final and only lost one more league game.
And Grant was hopeless, Moyes though instilled a very negative and un Man United style. So not surprised he has gone and sadly it is the bright conclusion.
In the summer he needed three big signings, it did not happen and he has been in trouble since. As for the runners and riders...
Carlo, why would he leave Real Madrid?
Van Gaal, available and wants it
Klopp, rules himself out
Jose, happy back in blue
Giggs, Man U have already sacked one manager for shagging someone elses wife
Blanc, at Paris, why risk change when you have moneybags owners
Quieroz, Manager of Iran, former Fergie assistant, surely too low profile
Pardew, could push away stoppey players with his head
AVB, pops up everywhere, beat Man United as Spuds manager
Simeone, cannot speak English
Pulis, miracle worker at Palace, gets players playing above themselves, would he show up Fergie? Probably too good for the job.
Bruce, miracles at Hull, Man United old boy
Hughes, average manager, United old boy
Mancini, proven winner, knows Manchester, do not bet against it
Now here is the kicker, United give a manager time.. yep that ain't true no more. They do not want someone that is abrasive... that would rule out, Van Gaal, Simone, Mancini, of the managers likely to be able to move.
If I was betting I would say Van Gaal with Giggs as assistant, but Mancini would be second favorite.
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geoclphredux - 23-04-2014 20:57The way I see it Sir Alex Ferguson managed them since 1986, even if he didn't decide who took control after I bet however filled the boots would have a rough first season too, people don't like change and we'd probably have the same story right now but with someone else's name.
Bringing Fellaini in was the moment I raised eyebrows. It seemed, as zefrenchy excellently put it, like Moyes turned Manchester United into a Everton 2.0 and also, let's face it, when your old club beats you quite comfortably after a long string of below par performances that's the final nail in the coffin.
Which put into my head:
My answer to "Any suggestions for the new manager?" is that making someone that's been at the club behind the scenes for a while manager is the smoothest way to go, that way they know the club, the players and they're local. Reading had a similar situation when McDermott was made manager back in 2009, he was only supposed to be filling in but he was good enough and the player's respected him, but obviously it's not the same caliber.
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geoclphredux - 23-04-2014 21:02geoclphredux wrote:I bet whoever filled the boots would have a rough first season too
Sorry I had to correct that, I shouldn't write out paragraphs of texts here after a long Korean lesson.
kevinskyy wrote:I heard Giggs is the one.
If he has a good run of games I wouldn't be surprised if they make him a permanent manager.
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tonnerwhu - 23-04-2014 21:40According to the papers, they've already said regardless of how well he does, someone else will be brought in at the end of the season.
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kyleriese - 23-04-2014 21:47tonnerwhu wrote:According to the papers, they've already said regardless of how well he does, someone else will be brought in at the end of the season.
That's probably for the best. People complained about Moyes not having the experience of managing a big club, but at least he had experience managing! Giggs does not, so I don't see him being anything more than an interim; he should however be the first assistant going into next season.
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zeoh118 - 23-04-2014 22:10kyleriese wrote:That's probably for the best. People complained about Moyes not having the experience of managing a big club, but at least he had experience managing! Giggs does not, so I don't see him being anything more than an interim; he should however be the first assistant going into next season.
Give that man a cookie.
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grinner - 24-04-2014 10:24This United team were never going to win the title, and were always going to struggle to get in the top 4 this season given the players they have and the disruption behind the scenes. So much was made of appointing Moyes and giving him time in the same way they did for Fergie when he arrived, and it turns out its all a crock of crap and they will be giving AVB or whichever flavour of the month manager is out of a job this time the gig, let him spend a ton of money and then sack him again the second he cannot deliver the success United owners and fans think they are entitled to.
If Liverpool had sacked Rodgers when he wasnt going so great, then would never be where they are now, and if City hadnt sacked Mancini would probably be in with more of a title shout than they are now, and if Spurs hadnt sacked AVB for having the hide to only be 7th halfway through the season then they would probably have qualified for the CL.
I hate this demand on managers for immediate success at all costs, just because you appoint a new manager doesnt guarantee instant success, or else wed be watching a tie at the top of the table between the 13 clubs that have sacked their managers this season or at the end of last season.
Giggs is a good idea to keep the fans onside, as his total lack of experience is a great excuse if things dont get better, and hel be a hero if they do. I hope for more than the Alan Shearer type episode of a couple of seasons ago, but obviously not too much as we play Utd next week.
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tosspot - 24-04-2014 14:40kyleriese wrote:That's probably for the best. People complained about Moyes not having the experience of managing a big club, but at least he had experience managing! Giggs does not, so I don't see him being anything more than an interim; he should however be the first assistant going into next season.
Having said that, he played under Fergie for 20 years - he knows what was said and when it was said. He obviously has the footballing brain too. Even without managerial experience, he's better equipped than most people that don't already have good jobs.
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rockstarroberts - 24-04-2014 17:04
grinner wrote:This United team were never going to win the title, and were always going to struggle to get in the top 4 this season given the players they have and the disruption behind the scenes. So much was made of appointing Moyes and giving him time in the same way they did for Fergie when he arrived, and it turns out its all a crock of crap and they will be giving AVB or whichever flavour of the month manager is out of a job this time the gig, let him spend a ton of money and then sack him again the second he cannot deliver the success United owners and fans think they are entitled to.
If Liverpool had sacked Rodgers when he wasnt going so great, then would never be where they are now, and if City hadnt sacked Mancini would probably be in with more of a title shout than they are now, and if Spurs hadnt sacked AVB for having the hide to only be 7th halfway through the season then they would probably have qualified for the CL.
I hate this demand on managers for immediate success at all costs, just because you appoint a new manager doesnt guarantee instant success, or else wed be watching a tie at the top of the table between the 13 clubs that have sacked their managers this season or at the end of last season.
Giggs is a good idea to keep the fans onside, as his total lack of experience is a great excuse if things dont get better, and hel be a hero if they do. I hope for more than the Alan Shearer type episode of a couple of seasons ago, but obviously not too much as we play Utd next week.
If Mancini had truly unleashed the offensive juggernaut of City and not have been so antsy when trailing by a goal then he would still have a job. Pellegrini needs to unleash City next season or he'll be rightfully fired. He should have never played defensively against Uefalona at home. He needs to either play Boyata at CB so he and Kompany can be rightfully paired or he needs to buy some backs. City at the moment should be in contention for at least a double right now. The money is irrelevant because the quality is still there.
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kyleriese - 24-04-2014 21:25tosspot wrote:Having said that, he played under Fergie for 20 years - he knows what was said and when it was said. He obviously has the footballing brain too. Even without managerial experience, he's better equipped than most people that don't already have good jobs.
I agree to an extent. Sure playing under a great manager and having the vast experiences he has had helps, but that doesn't mean he will be a great manager. Surely you would rather have someone with at least some managerial experience (whether it's as an assistant or the manager itself) than someone without it. I would rather United sign Giggs than a coach in League 2, but that isn't saying much.
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tonnerwhu - 24-04-2014 21:47tosspot wrote:Having said that, he played under Fergie for 20 years - he knows what was said and when it was said. He obviously has the footballing brain too. Even without managerial experience, he's better equipped than most people that don't already have good jobs.
Like Roy Keane? lol. Not quite the 20 years, but you get my point. Horrible manager.
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tosspot - 25-04-2014 01:41tonnerwhu wrote:Like Roy Keane? lol. Not quite the 20 years, but you get my point. Horrible manager.
Keane didn't appear to me to be the smartest footballer in the world - he made his name as a hard tackler in a time when it was possible. Giggs has adapted to his strengths over the 20 years - which means he thinks about how to play... which is what a manager needs to do.
I think he'll be a success as manager.
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kyleriese - 27-04-2014 05:35tosspot wrote:Not a bad start for Giggs.
Agreed, but it's only the start. He will need plenty more results to keep the job, I mean Moyes "led" the squad to a 4-0 hammering of Newcastle AT St James just earlier this month. I'm optimistic that the squad will do well with his presence, they will be motivated to help him if nothing else.
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grinner - 27-04-2014 12:19with Van Gaal lined up for both jobs, should be interesting to see how he goes, whever he ends up.
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zefrenchy - 30-04-2014 14:25
de Boer for Spurs
Guardiola for Man United
Klopp for Bayern
Moyes for Newcastle
Van Gaal for Barca
Throwing those 5 outrageous predictions out there.
Eddie.
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