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Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By silverargen - 09-02-2014 19:16

How can you maintain a good team when: 1. The weekly salaries of the players are so incredibly high 2. The transfermarket is absolutely dead! 3. The weekly income is peanuts 4. If you become Champion you get some pocketmoney instead of a good sum to invest in your promotion. The money you get in this game is a laugher and makes it unplayable.How can you maintain a good team when:
1. The weekly salaries of the players are so incredibly high
2. The transfermarket is absolutely dead!
3. The weekly income is peanuts
4. If you become Champion you get some pocketmoney instead of a good sum to invest in your promotion.

The money you get in this game is a laugher and makes it unplayable.

 

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Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By ivorylegend - 09-02-2014 19:32

[MZ UKI]

How about you train some youngsters up, and then either use them for your team, or sell them for profit? This is a management game not a get rich quick scheme.How about you train some youngsters up, and then either use them for your team, or sell them for profit?

This is a management game not a get rich quick scheme.

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By dowopado - 09-02-2014 19:47

[BotP]

To add to what ivorylegend has posted and give a couple tips. 1. Stadium capacity is way too high for your level. 2. You have 42 players at 22yrs or younger. Yet no coaches to develop them. Yet you do not participate in income producing leagues, cups, FLs or prize cups. Decisions in managing your team needs to be made. If you are not going to increase income, then you need to reduce spending to the level your income will cover them.To add to what ivorylegend has posted and give a couple tips.

1. Stadium capacity is way too high for your level.
2. You have 42 players at 22yrs or younger. Yet no coaches to develop them. Yet you do not participate in income producing leagues, cups, FLs or prize cups.

Decisions in managing your team needs to be made. If you are not going to increase income, then you need to reduce spending to the level your income will cover them.

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By kyleriese - 09-02-2014 20:02

[MLS]
President

1. Do you think the weekly salaries of top players in real life are cheap? Cristiano does not make a small some of money. 2. Yes, transfer markets in most countries are lacking, but that puts more of an emphasis on the youths you bring in, which you are not doing so good at that. You have NO coaches. That's awful managing in my opinion. 3. Play in youth leagues, friendly leagues, cups, and whatever else you can get into to create more of an income. 4. My favorite one. Do you really think that Cardiff City got a ton of money to make it so they compete for the title? False. They get enough to help them make the adjustment, but it is on themselves to fight there way up the tables.1. Do you think the weekly salaries of top players in real life are cheap? Cristiano does not make a small some of money.

2. Yes, transfer markets in most countries are lacking, but that puts more of an emphasis on the youths you bring in, which you are not doing so good at that. You have NO coaches. That's awful managing in my opinion.

3. Play in youth leagues, friendly leagues, cups, and whatever else you can get into to create more of an income.

4. My favorite one. Do you really think that Cardiff City got a ton of money to make it so they compete for the title? False. They get enough to help them make the adjustment, but it is on themselves to fight there way up the tables.

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By mosmosmos - 10-02-2014 11:36

[ENG]

Yet still there are many teams who maintain a consistent level and have done for many years. My salaries are much, much higher than yours yet I still make a profit each week and have done for years. Unplayable? Maybe for a bad manager. But that is what seperates the good ones from the bad.

silverargen wrote:

How can you maintain a good team when:
1. The weekly salaries of the players are so incredibly high
2. The transfermarket is absolutely dead!
3. The weekly income is peanuts
4. If you become Champion you get some pocketmoney instead of a good sum to invest in your promotion.

The money you get in this game is a laugher and makes it unplayable.

Yet still there are many teams who maintain a consistent level and have done for many years.

My salaries are much, much higher than yours yet I still make a profit each week and have done for years.

Unplayable? Maybe for a bad manager. But that is what seperates the good ones from the bad.

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By silverargen - 10-02-2014 11:43

@ivorylegend, What do you think i've been doing for the past seasons? It just doesn't generate any profit. @dowopado, Agree with the stadium, but the income generated by cups,leagues, etc. is peanuts, not even enough to pay for the weeksalary of 1 good player. @ kyleriese 1. Do you think that only 390 fans show up at a friendly game if you have Cristiano in your team? 2. I don't have money to hire coaches and honestly when I did they added very little to the development of my youths. 3. It's the salaries that are too high, I was able to sell some players for 8159 pounds, not even enough to cover 1 weeksalary of another player. 4. What are you talking about???? Cardiff's income quadrupled after promotion and they have mister Tan.@ivorylegend, What do you think i've been doing for the past seasons? It just doesn't generate any profit.
@dowopado, Agree with the stadium, but the income generated by cups,leagues, etc. is peanuts, not even enough to pay for the weeksalary of 1 good player.
@ kyleriese 1. Do you think that only 390 fans show up at a friendly game if you have Cristiano in your team?
2. I don't have money to hire coaches and honestly when I did they added very little to the development of my youths.
3. It's the salaries that are too high, I was able to sell some players for 8159 pounds, not even enough to cover 1 weeksalary of another player.
4. What are you talking about???? Cardiff's income quadrupled after promotion and they have mister Tan.

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By mosmosmos - 10-02-2014 13:54

[ENG]

Instead of arguing with people who are trying to give you advice. At least 2 of which have been playing a long time and have no problem with thier finances, you should probably try listening to them. Income is the same for everyone at the same level. Every team in Division 3 gets the same level of Sponsor, Attendance and Facility income and money for winning the league, and that is the same at every level. 1) Your Stadium is too big. Reduce it to 9400 at the [b]most[/b] 2) You have far too many players. A division 3 squad cannot expect to run a Senior, U23, U21 and Youth Academy. Especially as you don't even play in the Youth Leagues 3) You don't have any coaches, how can you expect to produce sellable players if they are behind everyone else? - You didn't think they made a difference, yet every other manager in the world uses them. 4) You complain but make no effort to learn how to actually play the game. If you did you would know that there are 100's of managers who easily get by on expenses far higher that yours and still make money through various methods, and that the reason you are struggling is because of your poor understanding and management and not because the game is 'unplayable'.Instead of arguing with people who are trying to give you advice. At least 2 of which have been playing a long time and have no problem with thier finances, you should probably try listening to them.

Income is the same for everyone at the same level. Every team in Division 3 gets the same level of Sponsor, Attendance and Facility income and money for winning the league, and that is the same at every level.

1) Your Stadium is too big. Reduce it to 9400 at the most

2) You have far too many players. A division 3 squad cannot expect to run a Senior, U23, U21 and Youth Academy. Especially as you don't even play in the Youth Leagues

3) You don't have any coaches, how can you expect to produce sellable players if they are behind everyone else? - You didn't think they made a difference, yet every other manager in the world uses them.

4) You complain but make no effort to learn how to actually play the game. If you did you would know that there are 100's of managers who easily get by on expenses far higher that yours and still make money through various methods, and that the reason you are struggling is because of your poor understanding and management and not because the game is 'unplayable'.

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By ivorylegend - 10-02-2014 16:49

[MZ UKI]

1. You have about 20 seniors too many. Costing 75k approx per week, no wonder you dont have any money! 2. Your recently graduated youths are terrible based on value (which as a basic check is good enough). A 20 year old worth 110k is not a 20 year old worth keeping... Seems the mistakes are entirely your own, nothing to do with the game.1. You have about 20 seniors too many. Costing 75k approx per week, no wonder you dont have any money!
2. Your recently graduated youths are terrible based on value (which as a basic check is good enough). A 20 year old worth 110k is not a 20 year old worth keeping...

Seems the mistakes are entirely your own, nothing to do with the game.

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By kyleriese - 10-02-2014 16:49

[MLS]
President

1. You are right that more than 390 would show up, but the game gives you money worth more than 390 spectators. Not sure why it only says 390. 2. Coaches.. They may only give you 2-3 extra bars per session, but over time that saves TONS of training days. Without coaches, I doubt you ever produce great players in an academy. 3. You should not need players with extremely high salaries at your level. Do you think a league 2 side pays 20,000 a week for players? 4. Correct, their income increased, as does ours when we get promoted. I did not say this was not true, I just said that they did not get a huge bonus. You get money to help make the adjustment, and an increase in weekly income. Just like Cardiff did. However, you did not get a ton to instantly put you at the top.. Just like Cardiff in real life.

silverargen wrote:

@ kyleriese 1. Do you think that only 390 fans show up at a friendly game if you have Cristiano in your team?
2. I don't have money to hire coaches and honestly when I did they added very little to the development of my youths.
3. It's the salaries that are too high, I was able to sell some players for 8159 pounds, not even enough to cover 1 weeksalary of another player.
4. What are you talking about???? Cardiff's income quadrupled after promotion and they have mister Tan.

1. You are right that more than 390 would show up, but the game gives you money worth more than 390 spectators. Not sure why it only says 390.
2. Coaches.. They may only give you 2-3 extra bars per session, but over time that saves TONS of training days. Without coaches, I doubt you ever produce great players in an academy.
3. You should not need players with extremely high salaries at your level. Do you think a league 2 side pays 20,000 a week for players?
4. Correct, their income increased, as does ours when we get promoted. I did not say this was not true, I just said that they did not get a huge bonus. You get money to help make the adjustment, and an increase in weekly income. Just like Cardiff did. However, you did not get a ton to instantly put you at the top.. Just like Cardiff in real life.

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By ivorylegend - 10-02-2014 16:50

[MZ UKI]

Put your entire team into a skiller such as mzplayer.se (copy and paste from the tabular view) and paste the link back in here if you want some advice on your players.Put your entire team into a skiller such as mzplayer.se (copy and paste from the tabular view) and paste the link back in here if you want some advice on your players.

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By scruttino - 11-02-2014 10:55

[AUSNZ]

To give you an idea of what a well trained recently graduated youth can look like, these are 3 of mine. Their value is still low because I maxed out their speed and stamina first, because: A. Without high balls in both of them a player is useless (unless they are a goalkeeper, but even then I would want a minimum of 7 in each) B. Doing this means their starting wage is kept to the minimum amount possible, as speed and stamina doesn't affect a player overall value like ball control, tackling, shooting and passing do Now I expect that at least one or two (fingers crossed not all)of these boys will low max badly in ball control (before the minimum standard of 8 to be usable as a top division player), meaning that they will be sold in 2-4 seasons time. But I can assure you that even now they will fetch a lot more than 10,000 of whatever currency you wish to name.To give you an idea of what a well trained recently graduated youth can look like, these are 3 of mine. Their value is still low because I maxed out their speed and stamina first, because:

A. Without high balls in both of them a player is useless (unless they are a goalkeeper, but even then I would want a minimum of 7 in each)

B. Doing this means their starting wage is kept to the minimum amount possible, as speed and stamina doesn't affect a player overall value like ball control, tackling, shooting and passing do


Now I expect that at least one or two (fingers crossed not all)of these boys will low max badly in ball control (before the minimum standard of 8 to be usable as a top division player), meaning that they will be sold in 2-4 seasons time. But I can assure you that even now they will fetch a lot more than 10,000 of whatever currency you wish to name.

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By scruttino - 11-02-2014 10:57

[AUSNZ]

mzplayer.se/?id=0211095167mzplayer.se/?id=0211095167

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By ivorylegend - 11-02-2014 14:26

[MZ UKI]

This is not very good advice given the OPs situation of not having much money / strong team imho. Its fine where you have a team already and are training youths for profit / can afford to wait until they are 22-23 etc before selling. When you start out, you need those players for your team, I would recommend rounding them more with some primaries earlier so that they can actually be used on the pitch to replace some of the older players, which given the values I would expect are not good enough to be kept. A squad of players with only speed and stamina will only get you so far on its own...

scruttino wrote:

To give you an idea of what a well trained recently graduated youth can look like, these are 3 of mine. Their value is still low because I maxed out their speed and stamina first, because:

A. Without high balls in both of them a player is useless (unless they are a goalkeeper, but even then I would want a minimum of 7 in each)

B. Doing this means their starting wage is kept to the minimum amount possible, as speed and stamina doesn't affect a player overall value like ball control, tackling, shooting and passing do


Now I expect that at least one or two (fingers crossed not all)of these boys will low max badly in ball control (before the minimum standard of 8 to be usable as a top division player), meaning that they will be sold in 2-4 seasons time. But I can assure you that even now they will fetch a lot more than 10,000 of whatever currency you wish to name.

This is not very good advice given the OPs situation of not having much money / strong team imho.

Its fine where you have a team already and are training youths for profit / can afford to wait until they are 22-23 etc before selling. When you start out, you need those players for your team, I would recommend rounding them more with some primaries earlier so that they can actually be used on the pitch to replace some of the older players, which given the values I would expect are not good enough to be kept.

A squad of players with only speed and stamina will only get you so far on its own...

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By scruttino - 11-02-2014 15:43

[AUSNZ]

Give them a few more seasons for that, then you wouldn't be able to buy them for less than 5 million, but that is irrelevant to the thread topic. Given that he is in the 3rd division and if you build to fast, you will like he has, have a wage bill that exceeds what you can afford. I did at one point as well, then I wised up. You will need to balance things until you reach division 1, where sponsorship revenue and league game stadium income allows you to afford a better team. The players are just an example of one possible way of approaching things. Another is to max 4 skills (speed, stamina, ball control - plus either passing, tackling or shooting) and keep the rest low, so like you say they can play as soon as possible. One of the easiest ways to get money is the national U/18 comp, these boys got me to the last 4 in the previous season, providing extra playoff revenue from semi final and the 3rd place match. Granted the Australia has a reduced team pool, but you still have to get there. Training players this way provides my club with a constant reliable revenue source. People forget that youth can make a profit long before you ever sell them for oneGive them a few more seasons for that, then you wouldn't be able to buy them for less than 5 million, but that is irrelevant to the thread topic.

Given that he is in the 3rd division and if you build to fast, you will like he has, have a wage bill that exceeds what you can afford. I did at one point as well, then I wised up. You will need to balance things until you reach division 1, where sponsorship revenue and league game stadium income allows you to afford a better team. The players are just an example of one possible way of approaching things. Another is to max 4 skills (speed, stamina, ball control - plus either passing, tackling or shooting) and keep the rest low, so like you say they can play as soon as possible.

One of the easiest ways to get money is the national U/18 comp, these boys got me to the last 4 in the previous season, providing extra playoff revenue from semi final and the 3rd place match. Granted the Australia has a reduced team pool, but you still have to get there. Training players this way provides my club with a constant reliable revenue source. People forget that youth can make a profit long before you ever sell them for one

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By scruttino - 11-02-2014 16:02

[AUSNZ]

Also how many of his players have bad maxes that mean they will never amount to anything on the park, never mind selling them. If you can't sell them, then sacking these players is a far better option than carrying dead weightAlso how many of his players have bad maxes that mean they will never amount to anything on the park, never mind selling them. If you can't sell them, then sacking these players is a far better option than carrying dead weight

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By ivorylegend - 11-02-2014 16:23

[MZ UKI]

I wasn't disagreeing with your way of training however, was just thinking for this guy who has a huge under trained squad, it would be his quickest way up the leagues etc until he is sorted.I wasn't disagreeing with your way of training however, was just thinking for this guy who has a huge under trained squad, it would be his quickest way up the leagues etc until he is sorted.

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By scruttino - 11-02-2014 16:49

[AUSNZ]

It's alright. Discarding the bad maxings as he must have some with a squad that large, would be off great benefit here and a good starting point. Unless they are so undertrained that he doesn't now, but that would make this a worst possible scenario.It's alright.

Discarding the bad maxings as he must have some with a squad that large, would be off great benefit here and a good starting point. Unless they are so undertrained that he doesn't now, but that would make this a worst possible scenario.

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By scruttino - 11-02-2014 17:03

[AUSNZ]

'Of' and 'know' - an edit function would be awesome'Of' and 'know' - an edit function would be awesome

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By overthetop3 - 15-02-2014 04:58

[AUSNZ]

Money Get away You get a good job with good pay and you're okay Money It's a gas Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash New car, caviar, four star daydream Think I'll buy me a football team But in all seriousness: WTF!? Compared to most manager games on the internet, top-tier players in MZ are making peanuts! Play sHatTrick, or it's vastly superior derivaties BatTrick/BuzzerBeater, and you'll see what I mean. A side-effect of low player salaries is that managers don't have as much motivation to sell their top stars. I'll agree that the transfer market is lacking in this game, but to call it absolutely dead is a great exaggeration, and on top of that, high player salaries and a dead transfer market are mutually exclusive, based on all the manager games I've played. Consider downsizing your squad. Unless you're going to play Uxx leagues and cups you don't really need such a large number of seniors who aren't in the first team. Cut your worst seniors (based on skills and maxings) and use your youths and young potential first-team seniors as your B team in friendlies. Wouldn't really be fair on all the teams who didn't win a championship if you got a big sum of money for winning. Your reward for becoming champion is getting promoted to a higher level where you can earn more income through attendance and sponsors :). I've never in nearly five years of playing MZ been in a situation where I've been losing money on a weekly basis. So I struggle to see how someone could believe that they're not making enough money to be sustainable...Money
Get away
You get a good job with good pay and you're okay
Money
It's a gas
Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash
New car, caviar, four star daydream
Think I'll buy me a football team

But in all seriousness:

silverargen wrote:

1. The weekly salaries of the players are so incredibly high

WTF!? Compared to most manager games on the internet, top-tier players in MZ are making peanuts! Play sHatTrick, or it's vastly superior derivaties BatTrick/BuzzerBeater, and you'll see what I mean.

silverargen wrote:

2. The transfermarket is absolutely dead!

A side-effect of low player salaries is that managers don't have as much motivation to sell their top stars. I'll agree that the transfer market is lacking in this game, but to call it absolutely dead is a great exaggeration, and on top of that, high player salaries and a dead transfer market are mutually exclusive, based on all the manager games I've played.

silverargen wrote:

3. The weekly income is peanuts

Consider downsizing your squad. Unless you're going to play Uxx leagues and cups you don't really need such a large number of seniors who aren't in the first team. Cut your worst seniors (based on skills and maxings) and use your youths and young potential first-team seniors as your B team in friendlies.

silverargen wrote:

4. If you become Champion you get some pocketmoney instead of a good sum to invest in your promotion.

Wouldn't really be fair on all the teams who didn't win a championship if you got a big sum of money for winning. Your reward for becoming champion is getting promoted to a higher level where you can earn more income through attendance and sponsors :).

I've never in nearly five years of playing MZ been in a situation where I've been losing money on a weekly basis. So I struggle to see how someone could believe that they're not making enough money to be sustainable...

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By bestplaymaker2134 - 16-02-2014 02:19

[AUSNZ]

I lose money every week. Big deal.I lose money every week. Big deal.

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By zeoh118 - 17-02-2014 19:06

[ENG]

likewise lollikewise lol

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By zeoh118 - 17-02-2014 19:07

[ENG]

so? You want money mate, this will surely satisfy you: Join A LOT of UXX cups before the winter break, and get like 5 or more players in the itc training camp when it opens, then: you'll get a nice sum of 36k+ from coming first and a board bonus of 274k :)so? You want money mate, this will surely satisfy you:
Join A LOT of UXX cups before the winter break, and get like 5 or more players in the itc training camp when it opens,

then: you'll get a nice sum of 36k+ from coming first and a board bonus of 274k :)

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By bestplaymaker2134 - 19-02-2014 10:20

[AUSNZ]

There are no more ITCs...There are no more ITCs...

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By zeoh118 - 19-02-2014 23:20

[ENG]

Oh okay.. scratch that then, all that's left is to scream in the corner and roll over mate.Oh okay.. scratch that then, all that's left is to scream in the corner and roll over mate.

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By zeoh118 - 19-02-2014 23:22

[ENG]

but I thought it returns within the winter break?but I thought it returns within the winter break?

Re: Money is the biggest problem in this game!

By kyleriese - 20-02-2014 00:59

[MLS]
President

False. ITC was a one day deal, and the Crew made that very clear. Hopefully you sent everyone last season! If not... you made an oops.

zeoh118 wrote:

but I thought it returns within the winter break?

False. ITC was a one day deal, and the Crew made that very clear. Hopefully you sent everyone last season! If not... you made an oops.

 

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