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Re: Transfer deadline day
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kingjaime - 02-09-2013 02:18I really don't see the sense in that move for Arsenal. Creative attacking midfielder? Rosicky, Cazorla, Arteta, Wilshere... Keeper and a striker should really be their priorities, although a hard-working box-to-box Viera/Yaya type midfielder wouldn't go amiss.
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sweem - 03-09-2013 02:21
Don't see the sense in the Arsenal move? No team, and I repeat.. NO team in the world say no to Ozil to play for their team. This is the world class signing we have been waiting for so long. Sure we have names up front where he plays but a midfield with:
Giroud
Cazorla - Ozil - Walcott
Wilshere - Ramsey
Look at that..people are alwasy saying Arsenal need a squad with depth, and now we have that. Now we can rotate with Rosicky in the CAM role, and Oxlade as well, while Podolski can play on the wing or up front as well, and I assume when Arteta comes back, he will have either Ramseys or Wilsheres position. Even Flamini can come in if needed. It feels good to finally have some options to not panic about in case of an injury. This signing adds quality as well as depth.
Defensive wise, sure I would like another CB, a 4th choice one. But in worst case scenario Sagna has been stepping in there, but Vermaelen is back pretty soon so we shouldn't be terrified in that area.
Wenger played poker with the entire football world and despite people spitting on him saying he is absolutely ridicouls and can't bring in anything of Top Quality because "no one want to go to Arsenal with only ambitions to finish 4th".. well he spit you all in the face :)
Go Gunners!
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ivorylegend - 03-09-2013 09:24Ozil, brilliant signing, just for the wrong team...
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tosspot - 03-09-2013 10:33I think it's a weird signing made just to appease fans because of the news of 80mil to spend. They need a striker. What if Giroud is injured or stops scoring?
I'm stoked with Liverpool's transfers. Perfect for what we needed. Borini out on loan, Sakho, Moses and Ilori in. Will take the pressure off Aspas to perform every game (was out of his depth against Man Utd). Once Suarez returns, it's a very good team and still quite young.
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mjeezy - 03-09-2013 11:01"people are alwasy saying Arsenal need a squad with depth, and now we have that."
With one player? Behave yourself.
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safctillidie - 03-09-2013 16:39
arsenals squad lacks depth, compare their bench to other teams. even comparing the benches vs spurs. yeah they won the game but over a season spurs will likely win more games
ozil however is the best signing of the window. what a player!!!!
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matttombstone - 03-09-2013 17:17Best English signing, Real Madrid got the best signing with probably the third best player in the world. I expect Bale to push on now and see him scoring a ton more goals.
Ozil is a brilliant signing, but it's not enough, they probably needed 4 or 5 good quality signings. Ozil is practically a replacement for Fabregas, no replacement for Van Persie? The squad is still very bare, Ozil is a push in the right direction, but imagine he makes his debut, 5 mins in he takes a very nasty tackle and is out for the season. Back to how it was, they need more signings. It may have been £42.4 million, but it's all spent on one player, he's injured and £0m was then spent for cover. Spurs on the other hand, £35m on Lamela, £25m on Soldado, £17m on Paulinhio, etc, etc. 7 signings for £109m, if one or two are injured there's still 5 or 6 signings to play with.
Though not sure what I would have made of what I read on sky sports this morning had Spurs managed to swap Adebayor for Torres, swap a has been for a has been, makes no sense there.
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mix-a-lot - 03-09-2013 19:05
can quite get the arsenal squad looking bare,
amount of transfers don`t makes spurs stronger then Arsenal, the real power of gunners is the stability, with a 2 free transfers and a loan AW filled the gaps and record signing would only add a quality to first team fire power, there was no doubt we need to spend 70mil of transfer funds this window
am really sorry to tell you that can see you going for top 4 again this season, u got yr 5 champions league mins and you got to defend yr europa league spot this season;p
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Re: Transfer deadline day
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mix-a-lot - 03-09-2013 19:08
safctillidie wrote:yeah they won the game but over a season spurs will likely win more games
do you wanna bet that?
50k mz money
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matttombstone - 03-09-2013 19:29I won't sit here and pretend I think our squad is right. I think we were 1 or 2 creative midfielders short of it being spot on. We brought in the likes of Paulinho and Capoue who are defensive minded, we didn't really bring in a proven midfielder who will get the ball into the strikers. Ericksen may do the trick, Lamela should hopefully help too, but we could have done with an extra attacking mid.
I expected us to beat Arsenal this weekend, but we lost 1-0, the last two visits in the PL to the Emirates we lost 5-2, so we're on the right track, and we bossed the possession and most of the other stats, so I'm not worried, the team needs to gel and it can only get better.
We shall see where we're going. But just to point out, since you last won a trophy.
Arsenal expectations - Win trophies, push for the premier league title, champions league football.
Arsenal results - no trophies, losing pace on the league challengers, only just got champions league football for this season by 1 point.
Spurs expectations - Top half of the table, perform well in cups, try and get into the Europa League.
Spurs results - League cup win, league cup runners up, successive top 5 finishes, including 2 4th place finishes in the last 4 seasons. Played in the champions league, challenging for the title 2 seasons ago until Redknapp got hopeful of being the new England manager and results flopped.
Point being, our expectations were nowhere near as high as what we've managed. Or expectations have changed and we should be expecting champions league next season, and we should be hoping for a real push for the Europa league title. On the flip, Arsenal have flopped compared to their expectations and should be at best hopeful of keeping in the champions league next season, any hopes of winning the title would be ridiculous.
Argue with that what you will, I'm sure most mutual would agree with that. I've tried to be unbiased as a Spurs supporter there.
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Re: Transfer deadline day
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sweem - 03-09-2013 20:23
mjeezy wrote:"people are alwasy saying Arsenal need a squad with depth, and now we have that."
With one player? Behave yourself.
It's a no brainer to say that Arsenal don't have any depth at all now. Look at the midfield options, or wait.. look at the attacking options, he can freely rotate with Rosicky, Arteta, Wilshere, Ramsey, Özil, Cazorla, Walcott.. what else do you require? If these guys aren't enough to call it "depth" you definitely need to take some pills mate.
Striker wise, if Giroud gets injured there is Walcott who proved he can play upfront and do well.. there is also Podolski who is a natural striker originally, im not worried at all. People who say "oh shit you should have gotten another world class striker" have just been playing Football Manager too much.
The ONLY area I think Arsenal just miss ONE more player at, is the CB (because usually we do get a lot of injuries on our CB's) .. but that is all. Point made: Arsenal have a good enough squad now and just lack one more player in defence to be "complete".
I have to laugh at those who are questioning the Özil transfer saying "that's not the kind of player you need".. absolute bullocks and only jealousy when Arsenal shows the world what names they are capable of attracting for once. Any manager would want him in their team.
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sweem - 03-09-2013 20:27
matttombstone wrote:
Spurs expectations - Top half of the table, perform well in cups, try and get into the Europa League.
Good points but I think you are decreasing the Spurs expectations there. When you just spent 100 million on new players, the expectations are nothing less than a top 4 finish regardless if you have teams like Man C, Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal to battle with. When that kind of amount has been spent, you can't say "hope we get into Europa League and be satisfied with that"
I do think Spurs are aiming for Champions League and that anything less than that (top 4) would be seen as a minor disappointment considering how much they spent IMO
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matttombstone - 04-09-2013 05:23Let me clarify that comment. That was what our expectations WAS when Arsenal last won a trophy. Point I was making was since Arsenal last won anything, their expectations have been getting further and further away from them, whilst our expectations have been extremely succeeded for the past 8 years and have changed to champions league football and a push for silverware.
Arsenal the last time they won something was to be challenging for the title, challenging for a cup, challenging for the champions league crown. Now they shouldn't be expecting to mount a title challenge, and shouldn't be looking to challenge for the champions league crown. They should be expecting champions league and maybe a domestic cup.
sweem wrote:look at the attacking options, he can freely rotate with Rosicky, Arteta, Wilshere, Ramsey, Özil, Cazorla, Walcott.. what else do you require? If these guys aren't enough to call it "depth" you definitely need to take some pills mate.
Then I need pills. I count 7 players there, okay there's a couple you missed. But you want players you can rest and provide cover for. Say at one point Ozil and Wilshere become injured, that leaves you with 5. You then have to take into account the Premier League, Champions League, FA Cup and League Cup, do Arsenal have enough depth to cover for injuries and play a strong enough team in all 4 competitions? Okay I expect Wenger to play youngsters in the League Cup, but if he wants the best domestic cup, the FA cup, he needs to put out a pretty strong team. Look at Spurs last season, okay we went out of the League and FA cups pretty early, but AVB constantly put out strong teams in the FA cup, Premier League and Europa League and we were one draw being a win short of Champions League this season, and again it was our highest points total in the premier league (Baring in mind two of the previous three seasons we finished 4th) and the highest points total in the premier league history to not have finished in the champions league.
Strength in depth isn't just for one competition, if you're serious in competing for a few trophies, you need to be able to field strong squads to accommodate for each competition and for injuries. I think Arsenal are still a little short for these competitions, therefore meaning they will need to prioritise the premier league if they want champions league at the Emirates again next season to help them sign players again next summer, and maybe the Champions League. They'll have to write the FA cup and League cup off unless a young team can get them to the Quarter Finals, then stick out a strong team to get the trophy the cabinet has been lacking.
I'm not talking as a Spurs supporter hating on their biggest rival, I'm speaking as if I were a manager and seeing what the problems are. I still think 2 or 3 mids, another striker or two and probably 3 or 4 centre backs for Arsenal to be able to challenge for what they would probably want to challenge for.
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Re: Transfer deadline day
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sweem - 04-09-2013 06:02
@mattombstone
I really think 2-3 more midfielders would be a HUGE mistake, simply way too many, he can basically form a team out of just midfielders. Like you said, in the cups like the League Cup he will play youngsters like Ryo, Eisfeld, Zelalem, Olsson, and mix a bunch of regular players for 30-40 minutes probably. I think even ONE more midfielder would be too much, this is on the verge of too many. Yes, if Ozil and Wilshere get injured, Rosicky take Ozils place and Ramsey/Artera/Diaby(when he is playing) can take that place. So I am not too worried there, there is enough to cover up should injuries happen. However what people seem to think is, if Ozil and Wilshere gets injured, the midfield simoly WONT be as good as with those players, but the cover is good enough, and yet some are saying bring in better midfielders to add depth.. nah, Midfield is spot on to me. There is room to rotate good enough, and these players all earn like minimum 50k per week.. if they can't handle all the competitions as it is their job, it's just themselves to blame - and not the lack of any signings. I would not say we are much shorter on numbers or quality replacements for cover than any other club
I'm not trying to be a blind, narrow-minded Arsenal supporter. I just don't understand how people can still be accusing Wenger/Arsenal of not spending or doing enough in the transfer window when one of the worlds best CAM just arrived. It's too much "Football Manager" thinking, you can't do 6-7 signings in a window.. well you can but that is just madness and not the way to go. Just look at Tottenham now, with all those big names, they can't play fluid as a team yet because too many changes takes time. Wenger has kept the same team basically now for this window and just cleaned out the "deadwood" players and now Arsenal play more as a team, he is building something and when he adds Ozil, it can only get better and sure there are weaknesses. I am still not sure abut the defenders, but everything else looks good for now. I can't demand more from a window than what we just did
"2-3 mids and 1-2 strikers, and 4-3 CB's".. that is insane mate, that would first of all just kill the team.. it's not easy to buy 3 mids, whereof 2 of them will have to stay on the bench for 90% of their time at the club.. you can't find quality replacement players who are willing to sit and warm the bench that often. Your suggestion is.. Arsenal need to add:
- 2 or 3 midfielders to a midfield already consisting of 8 players there (10 or 11 including some decent youngsters)
- 1 or 2 strikers to an attack already consisting of one proper striker in Giroud who can be backed up with Walcott up front who claims it's his favorite position and Podolski who is a natural goalscorer and striker. That is 2 striker options we have there already if Giroud crashes.. plus Sanogo is available but not class enough I belive
- 3 or 4 CBS.. why would we need an entire new additional defensive line?
Simply too many signings.. sure we can have a wishlist of those, but not demand all of those in one season
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Re: Transfer deadline day
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emirates06 - 04-09-2013 07:29
One thing is for sure now is that Cesc and Na$ri have finally been replaced. Cazorla is a much better player than Na$ri and Ozil and Fabregas are pretty much in the same boat for me really.
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mjeezy - 04-09-2013 10:24sweem wrote:It's a no brainer to say that Arsenal don't have any depth at all now. Look at the midfield options, or wait.. look at the attacking options, he can freely rotate with Rosicky, Arteta, Wilshere, Ramsey, Özil, Cazorla, Walcott.. what else do you require? If these guys aren't enough to call it "depth" you definitely need to take some pills mate.
Striker wise, if Giroud gets injured there is Walcott who proved he can play upfront and do well.. there is also Podolski who is a natural striker originally, im not worried at all. People who say "oh shit you should have gotten another world class striker" have just been playing Football Manager too much.
The ONLY area I think Arsenal just miss ONE more player at, is the CB (because usually we do get a lot of injuries on our CB's) .. but that is all. Point made: Arsenal have a good enough squad now and just lack one more player in defence to be "complete".
I have to laugh at those who are questioning the Özil transfer saying "that's not the kind of player you need".. absolute bullocks and only jealousy when Arsenal shows the world what names they are capable of attracting for once. Any manager would want him in their team.
This is hilarious; "If these guys aren't enough to call it "depth" you definitely need to take some pills mate." well, I am on pills but that's another story - they aren't enough to say Arsenal have depth, you have NO depth up front - Giroud and Podolski. Walcott is NOT a CF, sticking a winger up front is not depth. Not at all.
You have NO depth at centre half, Vermaalen is truly terrible - how he was captain for so long I have no idea. Furthermore, Gibbs is the only LB of Premiership quality - that Spanish lad Monreal is dog.
If you asked Arsene Wenger if the squad truly has good stength in depth across the field he would say no, I gurantee you. You say you need ONE player only to have the perfect size squad - laughable. Again, if you said to Arsene Wenger how many first team players would he want to add it would be a few more than one. To think otherwise is just plain silly, you little sauasage.
I won't for one second question this particular transfer. I happen to think Ozil is outstanding and a credit to the club and the league. If a club has the chance to sign a player of that quality, priorities go out the window, you sign him. Having said that, Arsenal still need a strong CM player with presence. That hasn't changed.
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