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By safctillidie - 19-07-2013 22:32

just wondering what everyone thinks of what is going on at sunderland basically you all should know about di canio, but do you know about di fanti and angeloni ( ex inter Milan and udinese head of scouting) and the setup they aim to implement basically its the 'udinese model' they aim to buy up and coming talent and loan back out/ bring through the squad and sell for a vast profit. thus avoiding the issue of FFP and having big cash to build a big squad eventually, yet whilst this is the main agenda theyre not scared to buy top players (like giaccherini) if they get good value (6.8m over three years for an Italian national in his prime years is good value imo) do you think sunderland will perform this season? under di canios very detailed regime will we thrive or fail? one things for sure, itll be the most entertaining season for many yearsjust wondering what everyone thinks of what is going on at sunderland

basically you all should know about di canio, but do you know about di fanti and angeloni ( ex inter Milan and udinese head of scouting) and the setup they aim to implement

basically its the 'udinese model' they aim to buy up and coming talent and loan back out/ bring through the squad and sell for a vast profit. thus avoiding the issue of FFP and having big cash to build a big squad eventually, yet whilst this is the main agenda theyre not scared to buy top players (like giaccherini) if they get good value (6.8m over three years for an Italian national in his prime years is good value imo)

do you think sunderland will perform this season? under di canios very detailed regime will we thrive or fail?

one things for sure, itll be the most entertaining season for many years

 

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Re: Sunderland AFC

By mosmosmos - 19-07-2013 23:11

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I don't think English football will allow he time for him to implement what he wants. When you look at the managers in the Premier League, most will be gone. Any see Di Canio lasting a long time there whether he does will or fails, and in the boardroom probably not something they will carry on through the yearsI don't think English football will allow he time for him to implement what he wants. When you look at the managers in the Premier League, most will be gone. Any see Di Canio lasting a long time there whether he does will or fails, and in the boardroom probably not something they will carry on through the years

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By madmonk - 20-07-2013 18:38

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I think they'll struggle with that model - as far as I understand Udinese did that with bringing in a number of younger unheralded players from South America, which is harder to do in England with work permit restrictions. Otherwise aren't most clubs looking to bring in younger up and coming talent? I like the realism of a club admitting they will build up and sell on & reinvest, but also see it being harder to do in England as the style of football often takes foreign players longer to adapt to (if they ever do), which doesn't bode well if you're permanently refreshing the squad.I think they'll struggle with that model - as far as I understand Udinese did that with bringing in a number of younger unheralded players from South America, which is harder to do in England with work permit restrictions.

Otherwise aren't most clubs looking to bring in younger up and coming talent? I like the realism of a club admitting they will build up and sell on & reinvest, but also see it being harder to do in England as the style of football often takes foreign players longer to adapt to (if they ever do), which doesn't bode well if you're permanently refreshing the squad.

Re: Sunderland AFC

By grinner - 21-07-2013 02:12

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I dont think this is such a silly plan at all. Given the huge fees paid by the likes of PSG, Man City, Chelsea etc for players who have done very little but have 1 or maybe 2 great seasons, this theory will surely pay off to some degree. The big question is surely is if they can perform in the Premier league, and at least at a club like ours, they are more likely to actually see some first team game time. I think thats where a lot of these really young players with lots of promise go wrong, when they sign for a team like Man Utd (for example), and they never really have a chance of getting game time, except maybe in the Carling Cup unless they are stunningly brilliant, and that is very rare. Lukaku was a great example of this last season, after failing to get a real go at Chelsea he showed that he really is a great scoring talent, but watching the transfer dealing going on there again means it will be unlikely he sees the first team other than the bench, and his talent becomes squandered. Hopefully we can unearth some players ready to prove themselves and see some entertaining football along the way. Like you said, it is certainly going to be an interesting season, which is an improvement on the last couple watching uninspired players, playing dire games at a slow pace. Well, lets hope its different anyway. :)I dont think this is such a silly plan at all. Given the huge fees paid by the likes of PSG, Man City, Chelsea etc for players who have done very little but have 1 or maybe 2 great seasons, this theory will surely pay off to some degree. The big question is surely is if they can perform in the Premier league, and at least at a club like ours, they are more likely to actually see some first team game time. I think thats where a lot of these really young players with lots of promise go wrong, when they sign for a team like Man Utd (for example), and they never really have a chance of getting game time, except maybe in the Carling Cup unless they are stunningly brilliant, and that is very rare.
Lukaku was a great example of this last season, after failing to get a real go at Chelsea he showed that he really is a great scoring talent, but watching the transfer dealing going on there again means it will be unlikely he sees the first team other than the bench, and his talent becomes squandered.
Hopefully we can unearth some players ready to prove themselves and see some entertaining football along the way.
Like you said, it is certainly going to be an interesting season, which is an improvement on the last couple watching uninspired players, playing dire games at a slow pace. Well, lets hope its different anyway. :)

Re: Sunderland AFC

By heddo - 21-07-2013 03:14

maybe his time at the club will be similar to his time at Swindon, short and eventfull..maybe his time at the club will be similar to his time at Swindon, short and eventfull..

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By safctillidie - 24-07-2013 17:38

Well that was definately an.interesting.first match of the di canio era (taking into account he now has the players he.wants training and playing the way he wants,cabral looks a cracking signingWell that was definately an.interesting.first match of the di canio era (taking into account he now has the players he.wants training and playing the way he wants,cabral looks a cracking signing

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By ashleyhughes - 24-07-2013 20:32

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I'd be interested to see how Jozy Altidore does after his impressive spell at AZ.I'd be interested to see how Jozy Altidore does after his impressive spell at AZ.

Re: Sunderland AFC

By heddo - 24-09-2013 23:11

was thinking about having a look at his odds at being the next manager to get the heave- ho last week, but i never got round to it, and now im too late of course, would be interested to know the odds that the bookies were paying out, the way that he was going ape, throwing his arms around,and pushing people, every time a goal went in, suggested he was losing/lost the plot, like everything was somebody elses fault, and no responsibility or blame was going to lie/land with him, if he is a football manager, i am a renowned master of poetry..was thinking about having a look at his odds at being the next manager to get the heave- ho last week, but i never got round to it, and now im too late of course, would be interested to know the odds that the bookies were paying out, the way that he was going ape, throwing his arms around,and pushing people, every time a goal went in, suggested he was losing/lost the plot, like everything was somebody elses fault, and no responsibility or blame was going to lie/land with him, if he is a football manager, i am a renowned master of poetry..

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By aek_athens - 11-12-2013 10:55

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Sunderland will be relegated this season!Sunderland will be relegated this season!

 

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