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2013 Ashes

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It's great to be in Europe and able to watch the whole match.

Been a great match so far, mostly dominated by bowlers until Agar came out - breaking all kinds of records.
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Hard to see how Trotts was any more conclusive than Agars

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That's true, but the same could be said Rogers lbw, sometimes they are given, sometimes not

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mosmosmos wrote:
Hard to see how Trotts was any more conclusive than Agars


Don't agree at all to be honest...
Nothing on hotspot and it hit him in the pads right in front. No evidence on any technology that he hit the ball. The same technology is used everywhere but India to determine if there was contact. So there was as much doubt as if he missed it by a metre.

With Agar's, there was no frame that proved he was out of his crease when a bail was completely (both end) dislodged.

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Joe Root didn't challenge it and nothing showed on hot spot.

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There appeared a clear deviation however between bat and pad, and impossible to tell whether that was a trick of the camera or a genuine edge.

Also any edge which didn't clip any part of the front of the bat wouldn't have been visible on hotspot from that angle as at no point did we see the hotspot of the full inside edge.

I can understand it been given out had the on field umpire called it out and trott had challenged. But he overruled the on field umpire when there was clearly a level of doubt as to whether he had hit it or not

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what is the "Ashes"?

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Let's face it mos... no-one wants to watch Trott bat.

Stupid wasting time ritual every ball and all he does is take 1 step to the off-side and hit the ball on the onside.

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Stuart Broad in one word = dog

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damo11 wrote:
Stuart Broad in one word = dog


Lets not forget Clarke in the last series then...

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One thing everyone can agree on is that the officials (all 3 umpires) are having a really bad game.

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tosspot wrote:
One thing everyone can agree on is that the officials (all 3 umpires) are having a really bad game.


True dat.

mosmosmos wrote:
Lets not forget Clarke in the last series then...

I'm one of those firm believers in players playing honestly. The umpire does have a job, but it's not in the spirit of the game to cheat as such (call it cheating or not, it's dishonest). Both side should always play fairly.

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Not walking for an LBW? Fine.

Slight nick through to keeper? Fine.

Off the face of the bat to a fielder? Cheating.

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tosspot wrote:


Off the face of the bat to a fielder? Cheating.


I refer to my previous comment about Clarke in the last series. Thankfully we weren't stupid enough to waste all of our reviews on hopeless appeals.

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Clarke wasted an appeal on an obviously not out lbw and the whole point of the review system is to avoid howlers like the Broad decision, so maybe Clarke will rethink his stategy regarding reviews in the future. Personally I would walk for an edge as obvious as that (if it's a fine snick then I'll wait for the umpire), but in the professional game you can't blame someone for waiting for the umpire's decision. If not walking when edging it is against the spirit of the game, I wonder whether there's any of this so-called spirit left.

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mosmosmos wrote:
I refer to my previous comment about Clarke in the last series. Thankfully we weren't stupid enough to waste all of our reviews on hopeless appeals.


Got a youtube of this incident? I don't remember anything as bad as Broad's.

welshkamikaze wrote:
Clarke wasted an appeal on an obviously not out lbw and the whole point of the review system is to avoid howlers like the Broad decision, so maybe Clarke will rethink his stategy regarding reviews in the future. Personally I would walk for an edge as obvious as that (if it's a fine snick then I'll wait for the umpire), but in the professional game you can't blame someone for waiting for the umpire's decision. If not walking when edging it is against the spirit of the game, I wonder whether there's any of this so-called spirit left.


Wasn't that LBW umpire's call? It was strategic and it ca,e back to bite him... But Aleem Dar should go back to grade cricket now after that decision.

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tosspot wrote:
Got a youtube of this incident? I don't remember anything as bad as Broad's.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDA_vCl2yGc

tosspot wrote:

Wasn't that LBW umpire's call? It was strategic and it ca,e back to bite him... But Aleem Dar should go back to grade cricket now after that decision.


The one against Bairstow (final review) was missing by about a stump and a half down the leg side

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Never saw that - that is also bad. 2 wrongs don't make a right and all that.


The test is close - it's swinging back and forth. England have to have it in the bag at the moment, unless Agar pulls out another innings like the 1st and Haddin plays a long overdue decent innings.

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Wow, what a test

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Australia lost by 14 runs. So close yet so far nonetheless a very intriguing First Test.MZH;(

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Goes to prove why test cricket is still the best. Fascinating 5 days of intrigue that just cannot be replicated in 50 or 20 over cricket

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Bring on Thursday then, what will happen come round 2?

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Was a great test. Only time I wanted to turn off was when England were batting... they bat SOOOOO slowly. Hopefully there is less swingy conditions in future matches, England looked stuck for ideas when Jimmy couldn't swing it.

Hopefully Cowan is dropped for Warner and he makes 150 off 80 balls or so.

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It was a great test and it showed perfectly why test cricket is the best. I'm not sure Lehmann will bring Warner back in seeing as he just sent him to South Africa on the A tour, but given the way Cowan played I myself would put Warner in the team ahead of him. Even though England won I would definitely consider dropping Finn, I think he had an absolutely awful test.

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welshkamikaze wrote:
It was a great test and it showed perfectly why test cricket is the best. I'm not sure Lehmann will bring Warner back in seeing as he just sent him to South Africa on the A tour


He's been sitting on the balcony - they've shown him every day on the coverage... I don't know where those news stories came from, unless he's yet to leave.

Plus, anything has gotta be better than Cowan at the moment... maybe Khawaja.

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He's been sitting on the balcony - they've shown him every day on the coverage... I don't know where those news stories came from, unless he's yet to leave.

Plus, anything has gotta be better than Cowan at the moment... maybe Khawaja.


Yeah get Uhzzy in there! I would like to see Jackson Bird come in for someone, but I thought our bowling was good enough. Great to see Haddin get some runs too. Still can't understand why he was dropped in the first place.

I'm still a little disappointed with the way it ended. The snickometer and hotspot wasn't all that convincing but the audio was there.

Bring on Thursday.

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How do you guys watch this crap, its the 2nd more boring sport to watch after lawn bowls.

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bestplaymaker2134 wrote:
How do you guys watch this crap, its the 2nd more boring sport to watch after lawn bowls.


I thought you didn't know what it was?

It's the greatest game on earth.

damo11 wrote:
Yeah get Uhzzy in there! I would like to see Jackson Bird come in for someone, but I thought our bowling was good enough. Great to see Haddin get some runs too. Still can't understand why he was dropped in the first place.

I'm still a little disappointed with the way it ended. The snickometer and hotspot wasn't all that convincing but the audio was there.

Bring on Thursday.


Haddin is like 75 years old and Wade is a similar batsmen. Wade is also a much better keeper and Haddin had had (see what I did there?) a few really bad games in a row a year or 2 ago.

Yeah, I don't know what they can do with our bowling - the conditions aren't good enough for who they picked (always overcast and soft shitty pitches), we need a seamer/swinger, and I don't know who our best ones are.

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tosspot wrote:
He's been sitting on the balcony - they've shown him every day on the coverage... I don't know where those news stories came from, unless he's yet to leave.

Plus, anything has gotta be better than Cowan at the moment... maybe Khawaja.


Warner is meant to be flying out to South Africa on Tuesday to join up with the A team. Whether he will or not now is a different matter.

Aussie bowling attack looked more potent that I expected, hough Starc has experience of English conditions.

Both sides seem to have pretty poor/wobbly batting line-ups so every game would seem to give the option of a result.

Hard to see where Australia will be able to pile on the runs looking at their team, aside from Clarke, the whole lot seem to be averaging around 35. Can't kee relying on the lower order to bail them out. There just doesn't seem to be anyone in that team who can sit in there and grid out a big hundred.

Aussie bowlers are always going to be left with a lot to do.

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mosmosmos wrote:
Warner is meant to be flying out to South Africa on Tuesday to join up with the A team. Whether he will or not now is a different matter.

Aussie bowling attack looked more potent that I expected, hough Starc has experience of English conditions.

Both sides seem to have pretty poor/wobbly batting line-ups so every game would seem to give the option of a result.

Hard to see where Australia will be able to pile on the runs looking at their team, aside from Clarke, the whole lot seem to be averaging around 35. Can't kee relying on the lower order to bail them out. There just doesn't seem to be anyone in that team who can sit in there and grid out a big hundred.

Aussie bowlers are always going to be left with a lot to do.


Yep, that's our problem... in the last few years we haven't really had anyone make the step up to tests. They all average 40-45ish in FC and then 30-35 in tests.

The benefit is, the tail also averages about 30 (except Siddle). So we have 11 batsmen, but only 1 is world class.

We've lost Ponting and Hussey and haven't replaced them with anything close - so that's about 80 runs a game that have disappeared.

This is a great quote on Cricket Australia's site...
CricketAustralia wrote:
Australia's final wicket stands have averaged 40 since the beginning of last year, which would be a more significant bonus if Michael Clarke wasn't the only batsman averaging more than that in the top order.

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Less than 24 hours!

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Don't think the Aussie batsmen will be able to deal with the slope.

If England bar first and make 400+ can only see one winner

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How Khawaja isn't playing I don't know, he goes on all these tours as a backup batsmen, yet only gets to play in the warm up games. Even when those in the line up (Ed Cowan) are inferior with skills holding a bat.

Hopefully he doesn't become the brad hodge of this generation, in regards to wasted talent

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scruttino wrote:
How Khawaja isn't playing I don't know, he goes on all these tours as a backup batsmen, yet only gets to play in the warm up games. Even when those in the line up (Ed Cowan) are inferior with skills holding a bat.

Hopefully he doesn't become the brad hodge of this generation, in regards to wasted talent


I heard he's been selected
- why jackson bird isn't ahead of starc is beyond me!
Mitchel Starc is a burger

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brendanzh wrote:
I heard he's been selected
- why jackson bird isn't ahead of starc is beyond me!
Mitchel Starc is a burger


Starc is left handed and left handers are extremely valuable in cricket (against a primarily right handed batting lineup).

Harris has replaced starc for this test though, he's a quicker swinger so not a bad choice. Bird will get his chance, he's only young.

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tosspot wrote:
Starc is left handed and left handers are extremely valuable in cricket (against a primarily right handed batting lineup).

Harris has replaced starc for this test though, he's a quicker swinger so not a bad choice. Bird will get his chance, he's only young.


i know that but despite being a left hander, i'd prefer faulkner over starc personally..

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brendanzh wrote:
I heard he's been selected
- why jackson bird isn't ahead of starc is beyond me!
Mitchel Starc is a burger


Interesting. From an English point of view I think Starc is the one we are most worried about.

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mosmosmos wrote:
Interesting. From an English point of view I think Starc is the one we are most worried about.


I can see why - he's the most dangerous. But he's also the most erratic... you don't know what you're going to get each match.

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Jesus

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I rate Harris - he's one of our best bowlers but his action always ends in injuries.

Happy with our start - hopefully Trott out soon... bores me to tears watching him 'bat'.

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Still yawning.

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:D

Now we need Bell to do the same.

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Starting to nuff out now. Bell and Bairstow are boring as hell.

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England are just boring as hell to watch to be honest...

Not a single batsmen of theirs can score straight. They can only flick off the pads or hit the odd wide bad ball.

Never do nice drives or score quickly (on purpose anyway).

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Nice, both gone now.

Prior is interesting to watch.

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Pig Smith killed it!

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tosspot wrote:
I rate Harris - he's one of our best bowlers but his action always ends in injuries.

Happy with our start - hopefully Trott out soon... bores me to tears watching him 'bat'.


totally agree!
Also think Steve Smith is a underrated bowler.. should bowl more imo!
Great start aussies.
However, any total over 200 is too high for the top 6 of australia to get to anyways :D

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brendanzh wrote:
totally agree!
Also think Steve Smith is a underrated bowler.. should bowl more imo!
Great start aussies.
However, any total over 200 is too high for the top 6 of australia to get to anyways :D


I don't think Smith is under-rated, he's a part-time spinner, not an all-rounder. You can never bowl him in tight situations because he could bowl 6 full tosses in a row and relieve the pressure too quickly.

He was perfect for that situation because 20 more runs didn't really matter, but he was always going to get a lot more spin than Agar was. He bowled really well and got rewarded.

I'm hoping the openers make a 50-100 run partnership and the Khawaja comes in with less pressure and makes a big score - I think he's our long term #3 from all the ones we've tried.

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tosspot wrote:
I don't think Smith is under-rated, he's a part-time spinner, not an all-rounder. You can never bowl him in tight situations because he could bowl 6 full tosses in a row and relieve the pressure too quickly.


Yeah true! However, the full-toss to Bairstow dipped fractionally which I think made the shot quite shocking in the end. Yes, he is a part-time spinner but from what i've heard he'd been mentored by Shane Warne and practiced leggies for a long time, so I reckon he could become a very good all rounder.

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Khawaja comes in with less pressure and makes a big score - I think he's our long term #3 from all the ones we've tried.


I also rate khawaja, his technique is sound and scores boundaries but if you see his stats, it's mostly boundaries and fails to rotate strike often, not to mention <b>all</b> the fail starts. I think only one innings in his test career he had failed to make a start and from those repeated starts, always gets around around 20-50. Also, khawaja is considered a liability on the field [despite the coach] so it'd be interesting to see how he goes in this test

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361 disaster against South Africa, against this Australian side, we probably won't go in with too much of a deficit

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mosmosmos wrote:
361 disaster against South Africa, against this Australian side, we probably won't go in with too much of a deficit


On average yes - but they are all batsmen that can make big scores on hard fast pitches (think Perth match last series).

If a few fire, this could be a big score.
 
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