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Guardiola to... Bayern?!

By kingjaime - 18-01-2013 01:27

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Really?! Yep, Pep Guardiola apparently confirmed as taking the head coach position at Bayern Munich starting next season. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2013/jan/17/pep-guardiola-bayern-munich-media Opinion, if you please...? (I like the respect it shows, and prestige it bestows, to the Bundesliga to have him go there but I'm concerned, as a Dortmund fan, how dominant he might help Bayern be and I'm also concerned he's making a no-win move. Bayern spent huge pre-season, have already shown they can attract top world-players, and are dominating the league, so what can Pep do but replicate? Is it all about the Champion's League? Hmmm.)Really?!

Yep, Pep Guardiola apparently confirmed as taking the head coach position at Bayern Munich starting next season.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2013/jan/17/pep-guardiola-bayern-munich-media

Opinion, if you please...?

(I like the respect it shows, and prestige it bestows, to the Bundesliga to have him go there but I'm concerned, as a Dortmund fan, how dominant he might help Bayern be and I'm also concerned he's making a no-win move. Bayern spent huge pre-season, have already shown they can attract top world-players, and are dominating the league, so what can Pep do but replicate? Is it all about the Champion's League? Hmmm.)

 

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Re: Guardiola to... Bayern?!

By crispyduck - 18-01-2013 02:04

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I'd say he's a manager with everything to lose, and perhaps failing to win the Champions League will sink him in the world of the media. "Rumours" had him linked to the Chelsea job, but obviously with RA's track record it would be hard to attract anyone who thinks they can stay.I'd say he's a manager with everything to lose, and perhaps failing to win the Champions League will sink him in the world of the media.

"Rumours" had him linked to the Chelsea job, but obviously with RA's track record it would be hard to attract anyone who thinks they can stay.

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By kingjaime - 18-01-2013 02:42

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Man City seemed a decent bet, or that Ferguson would finally sod off and Pep would pop up at United. I also wondered whether Tito Vilanova's health problems might mean a return to Barca was a possibility. What's irritating is I really like Guardiola, and equally I really dislike Bayern Munich. I love that he had Barca generally dominant of Real Madrid, whereas I'd hate it if he does the same thing with Bayern over Dortmund. But I also don't want to see him fail. Quite the paradox. I reckon I'll go for "Very, very narrowly fail." Then his reputation can be largely intact and Bayern don't win things. Or at least a minimum of things.Man City seemed a decent bet, or that Ferguson would finally sod off and Pep would pop up at United. I also wondered whether Tito Vilanova's health problems might mean a return to Barca was a possibility.

What's irritating is I really like Guardiola, and equally I really dislike Bayern Munich. I love that he had Barca generally dominant of Real Madrid, whereas I'd hate it if he does the same thing with Bayern over Dortmund. But I also don't want to see him fail.

Quite the paradox. I reckon I'll go for "Very, very narrowly fail." Then his reputation can be largely intact and Bayern don't win things. Or at least a minimum of things.

Re: Guardiola to... Bayern?!

By safctillidie - 18-01-2013 02:46

Im torn here, basically when I first read about him going to Bayern I thought well played a huge club, well ran, will have the respect of the people who run the club and probably wouldn't be hounded out like he would at city, Chelsea etc if results didn't go his way after a few days I genuinely think he is dodging playing in a competitive league for now until he learns more. lets face it he only had one team to compete with in la liga, and already had the best squad in the world when he took over. fair enough he implemented his own style but the players were there. he wouldn't have a leo messi, andres iniesta or xavi at another club, though in the german league he has a squad with star players in robben, ribery, gomez, schweinsteiger, lahm, neuer. he will find it easier to dominate this league and enhance his reputation. however Dortmund are always closing, and like KJ, they are my favourite german team, mainly as they gave me lars ricken on champ man 97/98 for 7m and he was lethal ;) hahaIm torn here, basically when I first read about him going to Bayern I thought well played a huge club, well ran, will have the respect of the people who run the club and probably wouldn't be hounded out like he would at city, Chelsea etc if results didn't go his way

after a few days I genuinely think he is dodging playing in a competitive league for now until he learns more. lets face it he only had one team to compete with in la liga, and already had the best squad in the world when he took over. fair enough he implemented his own style but the players were there. he wouldn't have a leo messi, andres iniesta or xavi at another club, though in the german league he has a squad with star players in robben, ribery, gomez, schweinsteiger, lahm, neuer. he will find it easier to dominate this league and enhance his reputation. however Dortmund are always closing, and like KJ, they are my favourite german team, mainly as they gave me lars ricken on champ man 97/98 for 7m and he was lethal ;) haha

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By kingjaime - 18-01-2013 03:02

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That's a very true point. Guardiola did a very fine job, no doubt, but Rijkaard did a great job too, laying a lot of the ground work. It wasn't like Vialli taking over Gullit's Chelsea, but Ronaldinho was there, Puyol, Valdes, Iniesta, Xavi... And for that matter, Pep wasn't always the best in the transfer market... I particularly think of Chygrynsky and the Eto'o-plus-many-millions-for-Ibrahimovic deal. Interesting bit of related news that Victor Valdes isn't going to sign a new contract with Barca, causing speculation he'll link up with Guardiola at Bayern. Would seem a bit odd considering Manuel Neuer is at least as good as Valdes and 4 or 5 years younger but who knows. I'd be surprised if others follow because although I think the Bundesliga is nowadays one of the definite premium leagues, I also think La Liga is the very top.That's a very true point. Guardiola did a very fine job, no doubt, but Rijkaard did a great job too, laying a lot of the ground work. It wasn't like Vialli taking over Gullit's Chelsea, but Ronaldinho was there, Puyol, Valdes, Iniesta, Xavi... And for that matter, Pep wasn't always the best in the transfer market... I particularly think of Chygrynsky and the Eto'o-plus-many-millions-for-Ibrahimovic deal.

Interesting bit of related news that Victor Valdes isn't going to sign a new contract with Barca, causing speculation he'll link up with Guardiola at Bayern. Would seem a bit odd considering Manuel Neuer is at least as good as Valdes and 4 or 5 years younger but who knows. I'd be surprised if others follow because although I think the Bundesliga is nowadays one of the definite premium leagues, I also think La Liga is the very top.

Re: Guardiola to... Bayern?!

By safctillidie - 18-01-2013 03:15

ah see kj I don't see la liga as the top league, I cant see beyond the prem. maybe I am naïve but the premiership has so many top level players throughout the league, even bottom of the league qpr have just signed loic remy, have mbia playing for the, djibril cisse, adel taarabt.. the kind of squads you simply don't get at the bottom end of the other leagues, there is a lot of money in the prem yeah, but its always hotly contested and no match is a given (unless you play aston villa at the moment haha) and I believe the Spanish league is a rich mans scotts premier league (prior to rangers goin bust) just a two team league nearly every year, although they are two of the best teams in the world I agree again though with the players I mentioned, and players like toni kroos, david alaba, xherdan shaqiri, Mario mandzukic also filling the squad, Bayern don't really need to buy, they already are the best in the leagueah see kj I don't see la liga as the top league, I cant see beyond the prem. maybe I am naïve but the premiership has so many top level players throughout the league, even bottom of the league qpr have just signed loic remy, have mbia playing for the, djibril cisse, adel taarabt..

the kind of squads you simply don't get at the bottom end of the other leagues, there is a lot of money in the prem yeah, but its always hotly contested and no match is a given (unless you play aston villa at the moment haha) and I believe the Spanish league is a rich mans scotts premier league (prior to rangers goin bust) just a two team league nearly every year, although they are two of the best teams in the world I agree

again though with the players I mentioned, and players like toni kroos, david alaba, xherdan shaqiri, Mario mandzukic also filling the squad, Bayern don't really need to buy, they already are the best in the league

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By kingjaime - 18-01-2013 03:26

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Not to mention Javi Martinez and Thomas Muller. They are actually overloaded if anything.Not to mention Javi Martinez and Thomas Muller. They are actually overloaded if anything.

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By safctillidie - 18-01-2013 03:35

damnit I thought id mentioned muller first rant haha, and forgot about Martinez but apparently isn't doing great over there? they are ridiculously good, but Dortmund are catching! on another note, be a bit S*** to be a 1860munich fan haha, forever in the shadow of Bayern and will never emerge from it to be fair.......damnit I thought id mentioned muller first rant haha, and forgot about Martinez but apparently isn't doing great over there?

they are ridiculously good, but Dortmund are catching!

on another note, be a bit S*** to be a 1860munich fan haha, forever in the shadow of Bayern and will never emerge from it to be fair.......

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By brick64 - 18-01-2013 03:38

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the spainish teams have mean making english teams look bad on multiple occasions now man uth and balbao come to mind out classed from start to finish england is far behind european football and to blind to see football on the contient has laregly moved on to a different style of football dat the english cant compete wit ...u see it even in itnernational tournaments too many english players playing in the english league and its just to crude a game to beat top teams

safctillidie wrote:

ah see kj I don't see la liga as the top league, I cant see beyond the prem. maybe I am naïve but the premiership has so many top level players throughout the league, even bottom of the league qpr have just signed loic remy, have mbia playing for the, djibril cisse, adel taarabt..

the kind of squads you simply don't get at the bottom end of the other leagues, there is a lot of money in the prem yeah, but its always hotly contested and no match is a given (unless you play aston villa at the moment haha) and I believe the Spanish league is a rich mans scotts premier league (prior to rangers goin bust) just a two team league nearly every year, although they are two of the best teams in the world I agree

again though with the players I mentioned, and players like toni kroos, david alaba, xherdan shaqiri, Mario mandzukic also filling the squad, Bayern don't really need to buy, they already are the best in the league

the spainish teams have mean making english teams look bad on multiple occasions now man uth and balbao come to mind out classed from start to finish england is far behind european football and to blind to see football on the contient has laregly moved on to a different style of football dat the english cant compete wit ...u see it even in itnernational tournaments too many english players playing in the english league and its just to crude a game to beat top teams

Re: Guardiola to... Bayern?!

By safctillidie - 18-01-2013 03:58

I disagree as I claimed the premier league is the strongest league, not teams individually (ie barca, real, etc) and one standout thing for me is when real Madrid, barca, Bayern, dortmund all rest most of their squad for league games in order to have stronger squads for the champions league, when English teams don't usually have the same privilege as they know if they field a weakened team in the prem, there is a good chance they'll be beaten also its a bad time to say English football is so far behind, the last cl winners were an English team.......... (although I do prefer dortmunds style of football to any I see inn England) on a side note, Tottenham Hotspur are the best side to have came to play sunderland this season and I think they would be great in the CL next year and possibly push for the league with a few new signings, they really are a good side playing good football-I disagree as I claimed the premier league is the strongest league, not teams individually (ie barca, real, etc) and one standout thing for me is when real Madrid, barca, Bayern, dortmund all rest most of their squad for league games in order to have stronger squads for the champions league, when English teams don't usually have the same privilege as they know if they field a weakened team in the prem, there is a good chance they'll be beaten

also its a bad time to say English football is so far behind, the last cl winners were an English team..........

(although I do prefer dortmunds style of football to any I see inn England)


on a side note, Tottenham Hotspur are the best side to have came to play sunderland this season and I think they would be great in the CL next year and possibly push for the league with a few new signings, they really are a good side playing good football-

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By chelseax1 - 18-01-2013 04:13

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As u can see i am a Chelsea supporter n obviously more inclined towards EPL. But anyone can easily say that currently EPL is weak compared to Laliga. Teams there dont have the so called stars but play much better because they r better n as a team. Epl has been more popular only because of its match timings n not because of quality. There was quality before but is substandard now considering the money involved.As u can see i am a Chelsea supporter n obviously more inclined towards EPL.
But anyone can easily say that currently EPL is weak compared to Laliga. Teams there dont have the so called stars but play much better because they r better n as a team.

Epl has been more popular only because of its match timings n not because of quality.
There was quality before but is substandard now considering the money involved.

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By tosspot - 18-01-2013 08:13

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The premier league has more depth, but the best teams in the world are not from there. The previous CL winners got knocked out in group stages... They didn't deserve the CL title, Bayern got simmed :)The premier league has more depth, but the best teams in the world are not from there.

The previous CL winners got knocked out in group stages... They didn't deserve the CL title, Bayern got simmed :)

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By kabaddi21 - 18-01-2013 08:37

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For me La Liga is no doubt the best league in the world because of its amazing depth. But at the top the two are far ahead normally and i think the Bundesliga is the most competitive league when it comes to title challenges. There seems to be multiple teams capable of winning the title even though Bayern are the top dogs. They also have the highest attendance and they fans are amazing. Its a fantastic league. The top teams have a lot of foreigners but as you go lower in the table the amount of local players increases and the local talent is Spain is far superior to any other European country, their youth academies and training methods, only Germany comes close. England cannot even compare with all due respect.For me La Liga is no doubt the best league in the world because of its amazing depth. But at the top the two are far ahead normally and i think the Bundesliga is the most competitive league when it comes to title challenges. There seems to be multiple teams capable of winning the title even though Bayern are the top dogs. They also have the highest attendance and they fans are amazing. Its a fantastic league.

The top teams have a lot of foreigners but as you go lower in the table the amount of local players increases and the local talent is Spain is far superior to any other European country, their youth academies and training methods, only Germany comes close. England cannot even compare with all due respect.

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By kevinskyy - 18-01-2013 20:14

Bayern Munchen seems an obvious choice imo :-)Bayern Munchen seems an obvious choice imo :-)

Re: Guardiola to... Bayern?!

By jamie1976 - 19-01-2013 11:45

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Bayern are going to be in the European Cup and give him a chance to keep winning and playing good football. There are some Spanish speaking players, Martinez, Robben etc, and he has time to learn some German before starting. The media will be easier than England and Spain as well. Plus Bayern work to a long term plan and Chelsea and City do not seem to. Also he can do a couple of years there, be succesful and then take Fergie's job. Makes sense to me.Bayern are going to be in the European Cup and give him a chance to keep winning and playing good football. There are some Spanish speaking players, Martinez, Robben etc, and he has time to learn some German before starting. The media will be easier than England and Spain as well. Plus Bayern work to a long term plan and Chelsea and City do not seem to.

Also he can do a couple of years there, be succesful and then take Fergie's job. Makes sense to me.

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By jamie1976 - 19-01-2013 11:56

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There is a simple rule in football, if you win, you deserved it. A team that beats Barcelona 3-2 in the Semi Final and then beats Bayern in their own back yard on penalties deserves it's European Cup. Sometimes hard work and playing to your strength, defending and countering, is the right thing to do. Some teams might lie down and let Messi and co run around them, Chelsea do not. In fact that Chelsea team had not lost to Barcelona in their last seven games. You have to go back to 2006 and them winning thanks 2-1 thanks to an own goal and playing against ten men. The likes of AC Milan, Liverpool and Manchester United have won the European Cup on pens in less trying circumstances than Chelsea did. Back to Pep, it is easier for him to win leagues with Bayern than in England, plus if you start to examine him as a coach there are weaknesses. Put simply, he never beat Chelsea as manager. Would coming to England destroy his reputation? Vilanova is actually doing as well or better than Pep did.There is a simple rule in football, if you win, you deserved it. A team that beats Barcelona 3-2 in the Semi Final and then beats Bayern in their own back yard on penalties deserves it's European Cup. Sometimes hard work and playing to your strength, defending and countering, is the right thing to do. Some teams might lie down and let Messi and co run around them, Chelsea do not.

In fact that Chelsea team had not lost to Barcelona in their last seven games. You have to go back to 2006 and them winning thanks 2-1 thanks to an own goal and playing against ten men.

The likes of AC Milan, Liverpool and Manchester United have won the European Cup on pens in less trying circumstances than Chelsea did.

Back to Pep, it is easier for him to win leagues with Bayern than in England, plus if you start to examine him as a coach there are weaknesses. Put simply, he never beat Chelsea as manager. Would coming to England destroy his reputation? Vilanova is actually doing as well or better than Pep did.

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By belaware - 19-01-2013 15:13

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So, first of all, I'm a Dortmund supporter living in Munich and I really like the fact that Pep comes to Bayern and actually I am not too surprised. Maybe Pep earns less money here, but he'll be one of the best paid coaches in the world nonetheless. Bayern has a relatively young team with a lot of talent and was one of the most successful teams in the Champions League in the past years (without winning it though). So, if Pep brings the CL title to Munich, he'll be much celebrated and it's not a too unlikely endeavor. The Bundesliga has some teams with international reputation next to Bayern. Dortmund is finally putting up a good show on international turf and Hannover is getting on the map. Schalke can pull something off once in a while and don't forget Bayer Leverkusen. Bayern is definitely dominant in the Bundesliga this season and will get the Championship, but there are a bunch of teams that can win against them on a good day. So, back to Pep, I think the Bundesliga is getting more and more attractive and whenever Financial Fairplay will be implemented in one form or the other, the Bundesliga will emerge stronger than ever (only Wolfsburg might have some difficulties). So, Bayern was the best choice and we'll see how he will be doing in the next few years...it will for sure facilitate some transfers of more world-class players to Germany. This little Argentinean boy, can't remember the name, does like Pep a lot, doesn't he????So, first of all, I'm a Dortmund supporter living in Munich and I really like the fact that Pep comes to Bayern and actually I am not too surprised. Maybe Pep earns less money here, but he'll be one of the best paid coaches in the world nonetheless.
Bayern has a relatively young team with a lot of talent and was one of the most successful teams in the Champions League in the past years (without winning it though). So, if Pep brings the CL title to Munich, he'll be much celebrated and it's not a too unlikely endeavor.
The Bundesliga has some teams with international reputation next to Bayern. Dortmund is finally putting up a good show on international turf and Hannover is getting on the map. Schalke can pull something off once in a while and don't forget Bayer Leverkusen.
Bayern is definitely dominant in the Bundesliga this season and will get the Championship, but there are a bunch of teams that can win against them on a good day.
So, back to Pep, I think the Bundesliga is getting more and more attractive and whenever Financial Fairplay will be implemented in one form or the other, the Bundesliga will emerge stronger than ever (only Wolfsburg might have some difficulties).
So, Bayern was the best choice and we'll see how he will be doing in the next few years...it will for sure facilitate some transfers of more world-class players to Germany.
This little Argentinean boy, can't remember the name, does like Pep a lot, doesn't he????

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By kingjaime - 19-01-2013 20:05

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Javier Saviola...? Erm... I suppose Bayern fans will casually dream but Messi with 5-6 years left on his contract. I suppose they could sell all their players, and their stadium, and naming rights to Franz Beckenbauer... They might scrape the money together. I'm sure an article I read said Pep will become the best-paid coach in the world but really this is a fairly moot element because he would've become so at any of the realistic options. I don't imagine for a moment that salary offer was the motivator. (He probably could've named his price to go to Chelsea or Man City.) Interestingly, I was reading about Messi's gesture of sending a dedicated/autographed shirt to Gerd Muller after breaking the calendar-year scoring record, and a side note mentioned Sandro Rosell, Barca's president, sending an accompanying letter to Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, Bayern's president, in which he wrote: "The esteem and admiration our club feels for Bayern and it's fans is demonstrated once again..." I wasn't particularly aware of any great connection or mutual admiration or anything been the two clubs but perhaps this makes the move less surprising. Finally, I agree about the depth to the Bundesliga, there are a lot of strong teams present. My concern is whether a league's overall health is served when one team becomes overly dominant. Wolfsburg took the title not so long ago, Stuttgart, Werder Bremen... Others like Leverkusen and Schalke have hovered around. Dortmund's return to real strength has been a great story, Klopp is a great coach/manager, and they've brought through some excellent young German players... It feels like they've done it "organically" if you know what I mean. Whereas Bayern, overcome despite the many, many millions they spent on transfer and wages for Gomez, Ribery, Robben, etc can still respond by going out and spending many millions more on Mandzukic, Shaqiri and most obviously Javi Martinez. I would expect they're quite prepared to make even more funds available so Pep can bring in at least a couple of his own choices... Financial Fairplay would surely have something to say about it. Anyway. I wonder who, if anyone, he might try for from Barca? Victor Valdes seems a reasonable bet (even if it doesn't make much sense to me) and if Bayern look a little light anywhere it's in out-and-out strikers, so perhaps David Villa? Hmmm. I somehow imagine him being too respectful of Barca to indulge in any Wenger-esque youth-stealing activity.Javier Saviola...? Erm... I suppose Bayern fans will casually dream but Messi with 5-6 years left on his contract. I suppose they could sell all their players, and their stadium, and naming rights to Franz Beckenbauer... They might scrape the money together.

I'm sure an article I read said Pep will become the best-paid coach in the world but really this is a fairly moot element because he would've become so at any of the realistic options. I don't imagine for a moment that salary offer was the motivator. (He probably could've named his price to go to Chelsea or Man City.)

Interestingly, I was reading about Messi's gesture of sending a dedicated/autographed shirt to Gerd Muller after breaking the calendar-year scoring record, and a side note mentioned Sandro Rosell, Barca's president, sending an accompanying letter to Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, Bayern's president, in which he wrote: "The esteem and admiration our club feels for Bayern and it's fans is demonstrated once again..."

I wasn't particularly aware of any great connection or mutual admiration or anything been the two clubs but perhaps this makes the move less surprising.

Finally, I agree about the depth to the Bundesliga, there are a lot of strong teams present. My concern is whether a league's overall health is served when one team becomes overly dominant. Wolfsburg took the title not so long ago, Stuttgart, Werder Bremen... Others like Leverkusen and Schalke have hovered around. Dortmund's return to real strength has been a great story, Klopp is a great coach/manager, and they've brought through some excellent young German players... It feels like they've done it "organically" if you know what I mean. Whereas Bayern, overcome despite the many, many millions they spent on transfer and wages for Gomez, Ribery, Robben, etc can still respond by going out and spending many millions more on Mandzukic, Shaqiri and most obviously Javi Martinez. I would expect they're quite prepared to make even more funds available so Pep can bring in at least a couple of his own choices...

Financial Fairplay would surely have something to say about it.

Anyway. I wonder who, if anyone, he might try for from Barca? Victor Valdes seems a reasonable bet (even if it doesn't make much sense to me) and if Bayern look a little light anywhere it's in out-and-out strikers, so perhaps David Villa? Hmmm. I somehow imagine him being too respectful of Barca to indulge in any Wenger-esque youth-stealing activity.

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By tosspot - 19-01-2013 21:29

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lol, obviously a Chelsea supporter. Blue tinted glasses.

jamie1976 wrote:

There is a simple rule in football, if you win, you deserved it. A team that beats Barcelona 3-2 in the Semi Final and then beats Bayern in their own back yard on penalties deserves it's European Cup. Sometimes hard work and playing to your strength, defending and countering, is the right thing to do. Some teams might lie down and let Messi and co run around them, Chelsea do not.

In fact that Chelsea team had not lost to Barcelona in their last seven games. You have to go back to 2006 and them winning thanks 2-1 thanks to an own goal and playing against ten men.

The likes of AC Milan, Liverpool and Manchester United have won the European Cup on pens in less trying circumstances than Chelsea did.

lol, obviously a Chelsea supporter. Blue tinted glasses.

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By rockstarroberts - 20-01-2013 03:26

he's not winning the Cl, let's move onhe's not winning the Cl, let's move on

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By welshkamikaze - 20-01-2013 14:27

I doubt he'd try to sign Valdes, I think Neuer is better anyway. I'm not too sure he'll look to sign any players from Barcelona, but it might alter the type and quality of player which Bayern will try to sign. And I agree with tosspot, just because you win doesn't mean you deserved it. There are so many famous examples of the opposite happening.I doubt he'd try to sign Valdes, I think Neuer is better anyway. I'm not too sure he'll look to sign any players from Barcelona, but it might alter the type and quality of player which Bayern will try to sign.

And I agree with tosspot, just because you win doesn't mean you deserved it. There are so many famous examples of the opposite happening.

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By mosmosmos - 20-01-2013 15:19

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Think he's just biding his time to take over from Ferguson. If that's going to happen then better not burn bridges in England by going to clubs like Chelsea or Man City. As for the quality of the Premiership. I'm not seeing it. Many top players, but not many top teams. I think aside from the bottom 4 or so in each division, team for team playing against their respective positions, both the Bundesliga, and La Liga put the Premier League to shame.Think he's just biding his time to take over from Ferguson. If that's going to happen then better not burn bridges in England by going to clubs like Chelsea or Man City.

As for the quality of the Premiership. I'm not seeing it. Many top players, but not many top teams.

I think aside from the bottom 4 or so in each division, team for team playing against their respective positions, both the Bundesliga, and La Liga put the Premier League to shame.

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By tosspot - 22-01-2013 14:06

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There are rumours of Pepe Reina going to Barca - so if Valdes does go to Bayern, Reina would be up there for a return to Barca. Sucks for Liverpool though... Brad Jones is rubbish and I can't think of another keeper to replace Reina.

welshkamikaze wrote:

I doubt he'd try to sign Valdes, I think Neuer is better anyway. I'm not too sure he'll look to sign any players from Barcelona, but it might alter the type and quality of player which Bayern will try to sign.

And I agree with tosspot, just because you win doesn't mean you deserved it. There are so many famous examples of the opposite happening.

There are rumours of Pepe Reina going to Barca - so if Valdes does go to Bayern, Reina would be up there for a return to Barca. Sucks for Liverpool though... Brad Jones is rubbish and I can't think of another keeper to replace Reina.

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By kingjaime - 22-01-2013 21:57

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Manuel Neuer! (And if I were a Liverpool fan I'd swap Reina away for Neuer any day.)Manuel Neuer! (And if I were a Liverpool fan I'd swap Reina away for Neuer any day.)

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By tosspot - 23-01-2013 08:29

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Actually not a bad idea - looks like they're going after the Mexican keeper though... so maybe all this will come to fruition.

kingjaime wrote:

Manuel Neuer! (And if I were a Liverpool fan I'd swap Reina away for Neuer any day.)

Actually not a bad idea - looks like they're going after the Mexican keeper though... so maybe all this will come to fruition.

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By kabaddi21 - 23-01-2013 09:24

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Not sure why any top club would want to sign Valdes, i suppose he would make for a very good back up goalie though with his experience. Also heard from a friend who is a Bundesliga fan that Neur despite his talent is prone to the occasional howlers, not sure how much truth in there since i don't follow the league. Also i doubt if Pep will go after Barca players. If he really wants to go for these type of players there are plenty of top top quality and consistent players in La Liga. Koke, Susaeta, Ander Herrera, Nacho, Benat, Xavi Torres, Pedro Leon ,Navas the list goes on and on. I genuinely believe that the second (or even third) string of Spanish players are good enough to be regular internationals for most other teams. Crazy rumour i heard was that Bayern want to sign Neymar as a 'gift' to Pep. And also been linked with Isco, who won the best u-21 player in Europe award last year and has been one of the best players for Malaga this season right up there with Joaquin. Koke is another he might go after, 20 years old with fantastic technique and vision. He is Atletico's main creative force in the midfield and for me as good as Isco.Not sure why any top club would want to sign Valdes, i suppose he would make for a very good back up goalie though with his experience. Also heard from a friend who is a Bundesliga fan that Neur despite his talent is prone to the occasional howlers, not sure how much truth in there since i don't follow the league. Also i doubt if Pep will go after Barca players. If he really wants to go for these type of players there are plenty of top top quality and consistent players in La Liga. Koke, Susaeta, Ander Herrera, Nacho, Benat, Xavi Torres, Pedro Leon ,Navas the list goes on and on. I genuinely believe that the second (or even third) string of Spanish players are good enough to be regular internationals for most other teams.

Crazy rumour i heard was that Bayern want to sign Neymar as a 'gift' to Pep. And also been linked with Isco, who won the best u-21 player in Europe award last year and has been one of the best players for Malaga this season right up there with Joaquin. Koke is another he might go after, 20 years old with fantastic technique and vision. He is Atletico's main creative force in the midfield and for me as good as Isco.

Re: Guardiola to... Bayern?!

By dadead - 24-01-2013 20:08

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I was hoping to see Pep in the Premier League. With all the respect for the Bundesliga, which produces the best players in Europe, playing there is not the same as in the Premier League. In Germany, Pep will surely win the title as the competition is small and apart from Dortmund, the other teams are only seasonal contenders. Managing Chelsea, United or City would have been different. There is where the competition is. With this, I think that Pep just doesn't have the b@lls to compete in the PL.I was hoping to see Pep in the Premier League.

With all the respect for the Bundesliga, which produces the best players in Europe, playing there is not the same as in the Premier League.

In Germany, Pep will surely win the title as the competition is small and apart from Dortmund, the other teams are only seasonal contenders.

Managing Chelsea, United or City would have been different. There is where the competition is.

With this, I think that Pep just doesn't have the b@lls to compete in the PL.

Re: Guardiola to... Bayern?!

By kingjaime - 24-01-2013 23:18

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I suppose it's a fair point that he's biding his time for the United job. And that would be fairly shrewd. He could've almost certainly walked into Chelsea or Man City, probably naming his own salary, but neither would offer him much job security or time if things don't quickly go well. Is it a question of balls? Well, maybe, but someone in his position and with his reputation doesn't need to take that sort of risk.I suppose it's a fair point that he's biding his time for the United job. And that would be fairly shrewd. He could've almost certainly walked into Chelsea or Man City, probably naming his own salary, but neither would offer him much job security or time if things don't quickly go well. Is it a question of balls? Well, maybe, but someone in his position and with his reputation doesn't need to take that sort of risk.

Re: Guardiola to... Bayern?!

By dadead - 25-01-2013 16:20

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This is why I don't like this types of managers. It's the same about Mourinho, he is a very smart bastard and always finds the right time and circumstances to join a club. With few words, they want it easy and simple. They are more worried about their reputation rather than accepting challenges that are more entertaining and harder to accomplish.This is why I don't like this types of managers. It's the same about Mourinho, he is a very smart bastard and always finds the right time and circumstances to join a club.

With few words, they want it easy and simple.

They are more worried about their reputation rather than accepting challenges that are more entertaining and harder to accomplish.

Re: Guardiola to... Bayern?!

By kingjaime - 25-01-2013 18:46

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I don't know with Mourinho. He went to Chelsea, where failure can quickly get you thrown out, he went to Internazionale who fly through managers, and he's gone to Real Madrid where countless managers have been sacked for countless reasons, in no time at all. He turned Chelsea into a powerful league title force, he took Inter to a new level of dominance, and he took over at Madrid at a time when Barcelona have been at perhaps their strongest ever, and won the league. I think you do him a bit of a disservice in including him as an example of those who don't have balls.I don't know with Mourinho. He went to Chelsea, where failure can quickly get you thrown out, he went to Internazionale who fly through managers, and he's gone to Real Madrid where countless managers have been sacked for countless reasons, in no time at all. He turned Chelsea into a powerful league title force, he took Inter to a new level of dominance, and he took over at Madrid at a time when Barcelona have been at perhaps their strongest ever, and won the league. I think you do him a bit of a disservice in including him as an example of those who don't have balls.

Re: Guardiola to... Bayern?!

By dadead - 26-01-2013 19:50

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Nahh, in my opinion, he's the best coach. What I wanted to tell, is that wherever he coached he had a powerful club, in terms of finances and players too. Chelsea spend 200 millions while he was in charge, the same goes for Inter and Real M.Nahh, in my opinion, he's the best coach. What I wanted to tell, is that wherever he coached he had a powerful club, in terms of finances and players too.

Chelsea spend 200 millions while he was in charge, the same goes for Inter and Real M.

Re: Guardiola to... Bayern?!

By jamie1976 - 28-01-2013 14:22

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Managers can be hard to assess. Look at Barca now, they are actually even better under Vilanova than they were under Pep. Does Vilanova a better manager? At Barca the whole club uses the Ajax system of bringing through players to a style and shape and they do it brilliantly. In Villa, Messi, Inesta and Xavi they have some great players. But they only play one way, very well, but just one way. As a result Chelsea and Inter Milan (both basically Jose teams) have been able to beat them on route to becoming European Champions. I think the last four European Cups have been Barca 2009, Inter 2010, Barca 2011, Chelsea 2012. Therefore Barca relies on more than a manager, the team and the club is already at a high level and "parking the bus" like Chelsea and Inter did. At Bayern Pep walks into a similar situation. However Barca, Bayern and to a degree United all have set ups at the club that last longer than the manager. Chelsea and Man City do not really have that. This bring me back to Jose, Jose works well in bursts when we can spend money and just get success at any cost. He took over a very good Chelsea team but some key players to the spine, a new ethos and system. The result of which was copied by any Chelsea manager than had success at the club, Hiddink, Anchelotti and Di Matteo. Therefore for me Jose is by far the better manager.Managers can be hard to assess.

Look at Barca now, they are actually even better under Vilanova than they were under Pep. Does Vilanova a better manager? At Barca the whole club uses the Ajax system of bringing through players to a style and shape and they do it brilliantly. In Villa, Messi, Inesta and Xavi they have some great players. But they only play one way, very well, but just one way. As a result Chelsea and Inter Milan (both basically Jose teams) have been able to beat them on route to becoming European Champions. I think the last four European Cups have been Barca 2009, Inter 2010, Barca 2011, Chelsea 2012.

Therefore Barca relies on more than a manager, the team and the club is already at a high level and "parking the bus" like Chelsea and Inter did. At Bayern Pep walks into a similar situation. However Barca, Bayern and to a degree United all have set ups at the club that last longer than the manager.

Chelsea and Man City do not really have that.

This bring me back to Jose, Jose works well in bursts when we can spend money and just get success at any cost. He took over a very good Chelsea team but some key players to the spine, a new ethos and system. The result of which was copied by any Chelsea manager than had success at the club, Hiddink, Anchelotti and Di Matteo.

Therefore for me Jose is by far the better manager.

Re: Guardiola to... Bayern?!

By madmonk - 29-01-2013 01:37

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And to extend the point (and I can see why you omitted it) Manchester United won in 2008 with some of the elements of parking the bus (notably the home leg) to get past the Rijkaard era Barcelona in the semis. Except here's the kicker, how long can Jose sustain success at any club? He was starting to tail off at Chelsea (and you can argue his over-empowering of the senior members of the squad is responsible for many of the problems they've had since), the Inter team peaked but needed a dramatic rebuilding when Jose left as the majority of the team was 30+ with no comparable fresh blood coming through (and witness the mess they've been post-Jose), and there appears to be civil war amongst the Real squad. As pointed out he had a heck of a spending power at each of those clubs. For Guardiola its not as if he was forced out at Barca, he left before burning out and its yet to be seen how he copes with a different club. And before a Man United fanboy comes in, I don't think Fergie has had a team peak as highly as some of Jose's teams or Guardiola's Bayern but he certainly can point to sustained success and an ability to build multiple sides at one club - even though it could be argued his greatest managerial feats were actually at Aberdeen.And to extend the point (and I can see why you omitted it) Manchester United won in 2008 with some of the elements of parking the bus (notably the home leg) to get past the Rijkaard era Barcelona in the semis.

Except here's the kicker, how long can Jose sustain success at any club?

He was starting to tail off at Chelsea (and you can argue his over-empowering of the senior members of the squad is responsible for many of the problems they've had since), the Inter team peaked but needed a dramatic rebuilding when Jose left as the majority of the team was 30+ with no comparable fresh blood coming through (and witness the mess they've been post-Jose), and there appears to be civil war amongst the Real squad. As pointed out he had a heck of a spending power at each of those clubs.

For Guardiola its not as if he was forced out at Barca, he left before burning out and its yet to be seen how he copes with a different club.

And before a Man United fanboy comes in, I don't think Fergie has had a team peak as highly as some of Jose's teams or Guardiola's Bayern but he certainly can point to sustained success and an ability to build multiple sides at one club - even though it could be argued his greatest managerial feats were actually at Aberdeen.

Re: Guardiola to... Bayern?!

By jamie1976 - 31-01-2013 13:33

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Ferguson is the best manager going, he keeps building new teams, but such is his standing and United he can do. Jose got pushed at the first sign of trouble at Chelsea, and there never seemed to be the desire to build anything long term beyond the first team. Jose upsets a lot of people, at Chelsea he slagged off Romsn's new signings, Sidwell and Ben Haim, calling them second class eggs, that more or less got him the push :-)Ferguson is the best manager going, he keeps building new teams, but such is his standing and United he can do. Jose got pushed at the first sign of trouble at Chelsea, and there never seemed to be the desire to build anything long term beyond the first team.

Jose upsets a lot of people, at Chelsea he slagged off Romsn's new signings, Sidwell and Ben Haim, calling them second class eggs, that more or less got him the push :-)

Re: Guardiola to... Bayern?!

By dadead - 01-02-2013 04:16

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Jose is a short term manager. He is a nomad as he changes clubs as soon as he wins some major trophy. He is not a youngster lover as he prefers more mature players..Ok, exceptions can be made. IMO, the best manager is Klopp. He made Borussia big again and his football is great for the eye.Jose is a short term manager. He is a nomad as he changes clubs as soon as he wins some major trophy. He is not a youngster lover as he prefers more mature players..Ok, exceptions can be made.

IMO, the best manager is Klopp. He made Borussia big again and his football is great for the eye.

Re: Guardiola to... Bayern?!

By kingjaime - 01-02-2013 05:07

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Shhhh! No Klopp's really bad, don't ever think of employing him, he's on the verge of being sacked as it is... (god...)Shhhh! No Klopp's really bad, don't ever think of employing him, he's on the verge of being sacked as it is... (god...)

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By tosspot - 03-02-2013 19:54

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After today, Liverpool could only dream of a nice offer for Reina. So, so, so frustrating being a Liverpool supporter. It's like watching MZ games :(After today, Liverpool could only dream of a nice offer for Reina.

So, so, so frustrating being a Liverpool supporter. It's like watching MZ games :(

 

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